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#1 pak_muslimah

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:41 AM

Sodomy (and sex with animals) to be decriminalised in the military with constitutional change


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Sodomy and sex with animals would be made legal under military law in a bill passed by the U.S. Senate.


The new legislation ends a long-standing prohibition on the practice and has triggered cries of perversion from conservative groups.


It was passed 93 votes to seven last week and is set to repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


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Changing state: Sodomy and sex with animals is to be made legal under U.S. military law in a bill passed by the U.S. Senate


Article 125 states that any person who engages in 'unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy'.


Those found guilty of sodomy would be subject to court-martial.


Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, a Democrat, said yesterday that the repeal was simply a legal change because it is no longer constitutional.


A 2003 Supreme Court decision struck down a Texas ban on sodomy as an unconstitutional intrusion on privacy.


The committee said the changes in law were recommended by the Joint Services Committee on Military Justice and the secretary of defense.


Senate negotiators are working to reconcile their version of the bill with the version passed by the House of Representatives and produce final legislation that would set policy for the Pentagon.


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Opposition: Conservative groups have hit out at the change, saying it is an attempt to accommodate the political left


Levin indicated that there are some differences with House lawmakers over the provision.


A congressional aide close to the negotiations said late last night that it was unlikely the repeal would stand. The aide spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private talks.


Conservative groups angered by the end this year of the ban on gays serving openly in the military were outraged by the proposed repeal of the sodomy provision.


'Now, in its rush to accommodate the left, Congress may have inadvertently opened the door to even more perversion,' Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council said in a statement.


'As part of the defense authorization bill, liberals are pushing to make sodomy a legal activity under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


'In its haste to make *** sex an official part of military life, the left could be unintentionally repealing the ban on bestiality too.'



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Posted 16 December 2011 - 12:04 PM

Why do people think homosexuality leads to beastiality?
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 01:41 PM

Who said it does?
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 02:02 PM

Now there's a doozie of an article! The author clearly needs to step out of the closet and free the sheep... :-)

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 02:43 PM

Who said it does?


Only pretty much every comment thread on every online paper I've ever read when issues like this have been raised.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 03:11 PM

Who said it does?


I think you can infer a relationship between the two from the fact that both have been lumped together in the legislation. Linking them in a causative sense does not need to be explicit.

Like linking tobacco to mariuhana and then heroin or, milk to water to alcohol.

Politicians and others use these sorts of arguments cunningly and frequently: muslims....boat people....terrorists.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 03:45 PM

That's right KB - and furthermore, a little while back a rabbi clearly stated that earthquakes are caused by same gender relationships. I had no idea that's how it all worked...

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 04:00 PM

wow thats the most disgusting thing ive ever read.

Clearly America doesnt know how to deal with the base inclinations of its soldiers abroad. Oh here's a solution! Instead of institutionalising such abhorent laws why don't they return their soldiers home to their wives and families and society because they have no place abroad anyway. Iraq/afghanistan dont want them, they want- I mean need- their families, America is in over its head with debt.

But logic always falls on American Senators deaf ears.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 04:51 PM

Only pretty much every comment thread on every online paper I've ever read when issues like this have been raised.

Well in this particular case the legislation repealed mentioned the two together. I don't think any specific link was assumed or intended.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 08:58 PM

Well in this particular case the legislation repealed mentioned the two together. I don't think any specific link was assumed or intended.


Hi Othman,

You don't think. This is true.

The post starting this thread not only links the two acts but actually places both in the same article!


Article 125 states that any person who engages in 'unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy'.



Check your information, especially when it's as easy to see as it is in this instance, before you post.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 09:17 PM

Is beastiality acceptable under Sharia law (under certain circumstances) or is it unambiguously rejected no matter what the situation is?
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 09:40 PM

Until now some sexual 'activities' between husband and wife in the privacy of their own bedroom was illegal in some USA states.... Oh how progressive they have become.

eeeew...Ban live exports to USA immediately.... & Ban KFC.....
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:03 PM

^ lol

furry animal beastiality is haram under sharia law- there are no exceptions- and if we were living under a khalifate and someone took part in this act they would be punished with a hadd. Sodomy is forbidden as well between husband and wife and off course goes without saying between males.

People are extremely sick in the head if they have any beastiality inclinations- sodomy as well, but beatiality is on a whole other level of sick. Is no one else extremely creeped out by such an abhorent thought? Wow people are sick. I mean come on animals? animals? *barf*
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:43 PM

Oh Shamsy; don't be so judgemental, soon our children will be indoctrinated into wider forms of sexual tolerance, why even you and I might be taken in for "re=education".

I recall many years ago hearing a joke involving some Arab men and camels and not wanting to get an ugly one. I can't recall the joke but I seem to recall it wasn't very funny.
But this..... this.... is a comedic material golden opportunity. It might be worth supporting "kinky" Americans in their struggle for acceptance just to hear the jokes that will come out of it.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:59 PM

Why do people think homosexuality leads to beastiality?


Whether it does or not, one thing is certain; both are sickeningly immoral and sin worthy lifestyle choices.

May Allah the Almighty Guardian of the faithful, protect us from such misguidance, guide the misguided and their misguided apologists.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 11:17 PM

^ lol

furry animal beastiality is haram under sharia law- there are no exceptions- and if we were living under a khalifate and someone took part in this act they would be punished with a hadd. Sodomy is forbidden as well between husband and wife and off course goes without saying between males.

People are extremely sick in the head if they have any beastiality inclinations- sodomy as well, but beatiality is on a whole other level of sick. Is no one else extremely creeped out by such an abhorent thought? Wow people are sick. I mean come on animals? animals? *barf*


Hey Shamsy, thanks for this, but what is the "hadd" punishment for beastiality?
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 12:28 AM

It doesn't really matter what the hadd is because we don't live under a khalifate. But I would suppose it would be extremely harsh if they do these crimes unashamedly and publicly, and rightly so.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 05:27 PM

Whether it does or not, one thing is certain; both are sickeningly immoral and sin worthy lifestyle choices.

May Allah the Almighty Guardian of the faithful, protect us from such misguidance, guide the misguided and their misguided apologists.


I just found a website called WikiIslam - you should check it out, in particular an article called "Islam and beastiality" as it would appear to be quite rife - just like pedophilia. You see, I find those things utterly disgusting, yet homosexuality I don't have a problem with from a moral point of view (I am straight). Go figure...

If you find any aspects of the article to be false then please let me know, so I can look into it.

^ lol

furry animal beastiality is haram under sharia law- there are no exceptions- and if we were living under a khalifate and someone took part in this act they would be punished with a hadd. Sodomy is forbidden as well between husband and wife and off course goes without saying between males.

People are extremely sick in the head if they have any beastiality inclinations- sodomy as well, but beatiality is on a whole other level of sick. Is no one else extremely creeped out by such an abhorent thought? Wow people are sick. I mean come on animals? animals? *barf*


Could you please provide a link to validate your statement above?

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 06:30 PM

Whether it does or not, one thing is certain; both are sickeningly immoral and sin worthy lifestyle choices.

May Allah the Almighty Guardian of the faithful, protect us from such misguidance, guide the misguided and their misguided apologists.


And the award for the most subjective statement of the year goes to!

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 07:04 PM

^ lol

furry animal beastiality is haram under sharia law- there are no exceptions- and if we were living under a khalifate and someone took part in this act they would be punished with a hadd. Sodomy is forbidden as well between husband and wife and off course goes without saying between males.

People are extremely sick in the head if they have any beastiality inclinations- sodomy as well, but beatiality is on a whole other level of sick. Is no one else extremely creeped out by such an abhorent thought? Wow people are sick. I mean come on animals? animals? *barf*


Well, lets looks at the (primary) sources of sharia law:

1) The Quran does not mention beastiality.

2) The two sound/Sahih hadith collections (Bukhari and Muslim) make no mention of it either.

3) The only mention of it in hadith is in Dawud, and here there are 2 consecutive hadith on it, but which are directly contradictory.

http://www.cmje.org/...at.php#038.4449

Book 38, Number 4449:


Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him. I (Ikrimah) said: I asked him (Ibn Abbas): What offence can be attributed to the animal/ He replied: I think he (the Prophet) disapproved of its flesh being eaten when such a thing had been done to it.

Book 38, Number 4450:


Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.


As an aside, it is interesting to compare the statement attributed above to the Prophet:

"If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him"

with Leviticus 20:5 from the Bible:

"If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he shall be put to death; and you shall kill the animal."


Lastly, I note you equate beastiality with sodomy (see text highlighted in red). This need not necessarily be the case.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 07:10 PM

Pakistan No.1 in the world in pornographic internet searches

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THEY may call it the "Land of the Pure", but Pakistan turns out to be anything but.
The Muslim country, which has banned content on at least 17 websites to block offensive and blasphemous material, is the world's leader in online searches for pornographic material.

Google ranks Pakistan No.1 in the world in searches for pornographic terms, outranking every other country in searches per person for certain sex-related content, FOXNews.com said.

Pakistan has ranked No.1 in searches per-person for "horse sex" since 2004, "donkey sex" since 2007, "rape pictures" between 2004 and 2009, "rape sex" since 2004, "child sex" between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009, "animal sex" since 2004 and "dog sex" since 2005, according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms.

The country has also been No.1 in searches for "sex", "camel sex", "rape video" and "child sex video".
Google Trends generates data of popular search terms in geographic locations during specific time frames. Google Insights is a more advanced version that allows users to filter a search to geographic locations, time frames and the nature of a search, including web, images, products and news.

"We do our best to provide accurate data and to provide insights into broad search patterns, but the results for a given query may contain inaccuracies due to data sampling issues, approximations, or incomplete data for the terms entered," Google said in a statement, when asked about the accuracy of its reports.

The Embassy of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan did not reply to a request for an interview.
According to Gabriel Said Reynolds, professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Notre Dame, Pakistan's monitoring and banning of websites is not part of a government effort to censor the Pakistani people, but one to shut out the rest of the world.
"(It) could lead to conversion, which would undermine the very order of the state," he said. "Part of protecting the society is making sure that there is no way it could be undermined in terms of foreign influences."

And while Pakistan is taking measures to prevent blasphemous material from being viewed by its citizens, pornographic material is "certainly" contradictory to Islam, too, Professor Reynolds said.

The country's punishment for those charged with blasphemy is execution, but the question remains what - if anything - can be done about people who search for porn on the web.

"It's a new phenomenon," Professor Reynolds said.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 11:21 PM

Trollter? Phew... that's something one would expect from a school kid. Did you have a little giggle at your 'genius'?

Feel free to address the real topic under discussion. As hard as I realise it must be.


Feel free to actually raise a real iassue rather than try to create something out of nothing....oh no Pakistan google ssearches for beastiality are No. 1, wow, but hey you feel its special. Not surprised troll.

By the way I noticed you were absent for a while but were quick to post when a few threads critical of Islam and Muslims popped up, yep thats a troll right there.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 05:14 AM

Pakistan No.1 in the world in pornographic internet searches


I've lived Pakistan. How about you?

Most Pakistanis turn off the television when they see a kissing scene, short skirt or a tight t-shirt.

Most Pakistanis do not have internet access. Those who do have it enjoy a very poor connection. I would say that Pakistan is Number 1 in failures to even connect to Google, let alone search for porn with it.

Maybe they were searching for paan. That's very popular in Pakistan.

However, there are loads of Americans living and working in Pakistan (exploiting the cheap workforce and child labour), and their internet access is very good indeed.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 05:23 AM

Read more at FOXNews.com


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While you're reading, try this site:

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:04 AM

While you're reading, try this site:

http://foxnewslies.net/


Hassan Trollter is here for one reason and one reason only and that's to have a dig at Islam and Muslims. He will go for anything he feels lets him have a cheap shot.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:43 AM

Feel free to actually raise a real iassue rather than try to create something out of nothing....oh no Pakistan google ssearches for beastiality are No. 1, wow, but hey you feel its special. Not surprised troll.

By the way I noticed you were absent for a while but were quick to post when a few threads critical of Islam and Muslims popped up, yep thats a troll right there.


I am discussing the issue at hand here (a nicely regurgitated accusation from my post above - well done). The original post on this thread has said the US military is legalising beastiality. This is of course a crock. Then the attention turned to how Islam deals with it with a couple of posters saying Sharia law bans it, but on closer inspection it would seem that this is not the case. Please correct me, if this is wrong.

I don't feel Pakistanis clocking number one spot for animal sex searches is 'special'. Quite the opposite, I feel sorry for people, who live in a society so twisted that such activity is so wide-spread - especially as Hasaan has pointed out, the number of active Internet users in Pakistan is so low, which in turn means most of Pakistan lives in an information vacuum (and even much of the Internet there is censored, but not beastiality). So, even with such a relatively low number of Internet users, to get the top spot for this type of activity is even more depressing.

I was indeed absent from this forum for a while and my return was by the way of ME posting up a thread about the Australian man, who was sentenced to 500 lashes in Saudi - NOT because all the sudden threads critical of Islam popped up. They seem to be forever present here.

You already know I am an atheist, so as such OF COURSE I am going to be somewhat critical of ALL religions. Only earlier in this thread I menationed a rabbi, who blamed earthquakes on same gender relationships. HOWEVER, I have not been disrespctful of any religion on this forum, including of course Islam.

If all you can do is poke your head out to shout drivel like "Troll!!!" or "Trollter!!!" and contribute nothing to the actual discussion then it might be an idea just to put a plug in it. Somethimes it's best to be quiet and perhaps that time for you has now come.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:55 AM

I've lived Pakistan. How about you?

Most Pakistanis turn off the television when they see a kissing scene, short skirt or a tight t-shirt.

Most Pakistanis do not have internet access. Those who do have it enjoy a very poor connection. I would say that Pakistan is Number 1 in failures to even connect to Google, let alone search for porn with it.

Maybe they were searching for paan. That's very popular in Pakistan.

However, there are loads of Americans living and working in Pakistan (exploiting the cheap workforce and child labour), and their internet access is very good indeed.


No Hasaan, I've never lived in Pakistan, nor have I ever even visited the country.

The data in the article was from Google Trends, which simply logs search terms placed on Google. A Google search is just a word string and requires next to no bandwidth - what that search then ends up delivering (text, images, video...) is a totally different thing and is of course relative to the type of Internet connection available. However, the intent to search was there - and that's what Google Trends logs.

Trying to palm this onto a handful of Americans is pretty futile. I don't doubt they wouldn't search for porn as the good 'ol US is where most of it originates from, but I would imagine most porn they look for would involve humans. There are Americans in many countries around the world, especially the US and yet Pakistan came up on top.

As for people flipping over the TV during a kissing scene etc... I would not expect beastiality related Internet searches there to be done in an open family environment with visitors around either.

At this time Pakistan has around 20 million internet connections.

While you're reading, try this site:

http://foxnewslies.net/


The search function didn't return anything specific in relation to this story.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:06 AM

What closer inspection? WikiIslam? Please! The slander that you and your mates want to throw on Islam by implying that it allows beastiality is offensive, incorrect and stupid but that won't stop you throwing around your rubbish. And yes you didn't come back because of threads critical to Islam popped up, you came back to actually post some. Spare me your crocodile tears for the man in the question because your motives are there for all to see.

The article that started the thread said this "Article 125 states that any person who engages in 'unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy'." and that people are seeking to repeal that, so yes if that article is being repealed then all of it is being repealed. The article made no mention of only part of it being repealed. Does it make beastiality legal, no but sensationalism in journalism is common.

What Pakistan has to do with the US repealing one of their military laws is beyond me but that doesn't stop you throwing them in with a twisted satisfaction that somehow it is relevant.

I ran a few of those terms through google trends,
Australia is
6 for "horse sex"
8 for "donkey sex"
7 for "rape pictures"
8 for "rape sex"
9 for "child sex"
7 for "child porn", with Melbourne ranking No. 3 in cities
2 for "beastiality", with Brisbane ranking No.1 worldwide in cities

So what's the point, considering Pakistan has more internet users than the population of Australia what does that say about our country that we can rank in the top 10 in the world for all those terms despite being ranked 52 in terms of population size?
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 05:12 PM

What a load of rot. By the way as I mentioned in my original post I didn't google "donkey sex" I ran the term through google trends but hey misrepresenting facts is what your all about.

I couldn't care less how u feel about wikiislam it is far from accurate if u want facts about Islam u talk to experts and scholars not pathetic anti Islamic websites. The reasons u won't get answers is because people see u as irrelevant and most won't give u the satisfaction of legitimizing your posts by responding to ur rubbish and ur challenges.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 05:48 PM

Anyone trying to imply that Islam allows or tolerates sodomy or beastiality is nothing less than pushing outright lies and their motives must be questioned. It's not surprising to see the same troll trying to slander islam again after his previous attempts failed.
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