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Is The Kava Drink Haram?


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#1 dodgeball

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 03:32 PM

Assalam alaykum,

Does anyone know if the Kava drink found in the Pacific such as Fiji haram to drink?
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#2 yummyyummy

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 04:08 PM

Yep, it's an intoxicant.
Some info about kava from the NT government
I was not able to find anything on Sunnipath, but ask any sheikh/maulana from Fiji and they will say its haram.
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#3 Jaaved

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:47 PM

Yes, what yummyyummy said.

Many Muslims in Fiji still drink it but it's essentially haraam.
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#4 dodgeball

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 07:15 PM

assalam alaykum,

SubhanAllah it is so readily available for all tourists. I recently returned from Fiji and wherever you go Fijians are offering Kava as it is a sign of respect and welcome from them. But little do Muslims from outside know that it is in fact haram to drink.

I think the tourist industry in Fiji needs to educate Fijians not to offer Kava to tourists.
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#5 alaq

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 08:41 PM

I am no jurist but I would not think it is haram. Personally, I dont consume it but would not forbid someone from drinking it unless I had a first hand fatwa
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Someone drinking 5 cans of V are probably more intoxicated then someone consuming kava. People get head spins from durian. Tobacco is makroo according to God fearing scholars. But this is beside the point. Fiqh is heavily derived by analogy and if the jurists disagree on substances such as qat then I cant see how this would be such a clear cut ruling.

Fiqh really is quite interesting Abu Hanifa (may Allah be pleased with him) believed wine was haram but not because it was an intoxicant. Fortunately his school differed.
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#6 Jaaved

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 08:02 PM

5 cans of V won't make you intoxicated, guaranteed.
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#7 alaq

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 09:16 PM

Nor will five coconut shells of kava though you will probably not be able to feel your tongue.
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#8 alaq

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 09:23 PM

Just did a quick google search and thought you might be interested:

"If kava is consumed in very large amounts, the drinker feels irresistibly compelled to sleep. Interestingly enough, however, the excessive kava drinker will retain the ability to think clearly right up to the time of sleep. Even when consumed in great quantities, kava still does not fog the mind or produce delirium."

I know some non-Muslim Fijians who used to drink very strong kava. I never noticed any change in their behaviour.

Disclaimer: I am not promoting drinking kava nor claiming it to be permissible. Just giving my personal and unqualified opinion.
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#9 Amazing_Andy

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 10:00 PM

5 cans of V won't make you intoxicated, guaranteed.


yeah. it only takes 2 V cans to get hyper headspins.
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