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Posted 15 March 2004 - 11:03 AM

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Unlike the more affluent elite athletes or private school students, the only culture deemed relevant in media discussion about these youths was their Lebanese ethnicity.

Joseph Wakim in his comparasins forgot (or refused) to take into account that the 'lebanese gang rapists' were the ones who initially made an issue of their ethnicity and that of their victims.

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Posted 15 March 2004 - 01:57 PM

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Joseph Wakim in his comparasins forgot (or refused) to take into account that the 'lebanese gang rapists' were the ones who initially made an issue of their ethnicity and that of their victims.


actually, it was the police media people who released copies of statements of the alleged victims that made ethnicity the issue. we will never know if the boys actually stated this, and i have not read the transcript to see if the judge (at trial or subsequent appeal) allowed or made any ruling on the evidence concerning racial taunts.

by the way, jaydee, there are muslim girls who attend upper north shore private schools. most of them are from the indian sub-Continent. no doubt if they were sexually assaulted, their parents would have preferred they stay silent so as not to ruin their daughter's reputation. why? because in high aussie north shore society, people still find an excuse to say "she was asking for it".

racism still exists up that way. i know of a pakistani christian boy who was bashed and left to bleed to death. naturally, we will never know what his attackers said to him. would they have said: "dirty rotten catholic"? or "bloody high church anglican"? or "f#cking jensenite"? i somehow doubt it.

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Post icon  Posted 22 October 2004 - 11:45 AM

    The missing ethno-religio-cultural media descriptors ... How atypical of the 5th Estate's simulacrum :shock: :angry:

    Oh ... and I simply can’t wait for Janet Albrechtsen, Miranda Devine and Pamela Bone's expert analysis;) :lol:
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    Stranger Danger
    By: Zoe Taylor & Angela Kamper
    The Daily Telegraph (22 October 2004)

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    Warning...at least two women have allegedly
    been raped after having their drinks spiked.


    AT LEAST two women have allegedly been raped after falling victim to sexual predators spiking drinks in inner-city bars.

    Police renewed warnings about the perils of drink-spiking after up to seven young people, mainly female Asian tourists, were targeted on the weekend.

    One man appeared in court yesterday over the sexual assault of two women and another man is expected to be charged today.

    Police from Strikeforce Combine are also investigating claims that another four women and one man had been victims of drink-spiking – possibly by the same pair.

    The two women were allegedly raped after being taken to an address in Peakhurst in Sydney's south after their drinks were spiked in inner-city bars.

    The first woman was at the Three Wise Monkeys bar on George St on Saturday night, with two friends who also claim their drinks were spiked. The second victim was allegedly targeted while drinking with a male and female friend at the Shark Bar on Liverpool St on Sunday.

    Another victim, who spent a night in St Vincent's Hospital, reported a separate case to Kings Cross police on Wednesday.

    Detective Chief Inspector Bob Barnett yesterday said the number of reported incidents would grow.

    "We're identifying other incidents as we speak," he said.

    Chebli Djait, 35, was charged yesterday with sexual assault and theft. A Belmore man, 27, faces court today.

    Police allege the first female victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was sexually assaulted by Djait at a Peakhurst address in the early hours of Saturday. He is also accused of stealing a camera, a phone and $59.

    The following day, he is alleged to have sexually assaulted a second woman at Peakhurst and stolen a digital camera.

    Tests on another five people at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital suggest they also had drinks spiked, police prosecutor Sergeant Phil Weatherall told Sydney's Central Local Court yesterday.

    Detective Superintendent Dave Laidlaw of the drug squad warned: "Women should not go out drinking alone and should always leave a venue with a friend.

    "Don't accept drinks from any strangers."

    He said Diazepam or other stupefy- ing drugs were used in spiking.

    "When a person does take this kind of drug it can be an acidic or sweet taste," he said.

    "A lot of it is a light-headed feel, nausea and also forgetfulness. If you do accept a drink from somebody make sure that it is somebody that you know and trust."

    Djait was ordered to undergo forensic testing of his hair and blood at Surry Hills police station today and was remanded in custody to reappear at Central Local Court on December 9.

    Up to 4500 people have rung an Australian Institute of Criminology hotline claiming to be spiking victims.

    The Daily Telegraph was unable to get in contact management at the Three Wise Monkeys yesterday. Shark Bar staff would not comment.
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    SEE ALSO
    The Sydney Morning Herald: Rape Suspect 'Spiked Drinks'

    Research Info: Drug & Alcohol Assisted Rape

    FURTHER READING
    Politics, Rhetoric & Ethnic Descriptors

    The New 'Others': Media & Society Post-September 11

    Deconstructing Of Middle Eastern Appearance

    The Locus of the Non: The Racial Fault-Line of "Of Middle-Eastern Appearance"


    Dog Whistle Politics and Journalism

    News Overboard: The Tabloid Media, Race Politics, and Islam

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Post icon  Posted 23 October 2004 - 02:10 PM

    Can't wait for Ms Devine's fact-deflecting Sunday column

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Post icon  Posted 26 October 2004 - 01:17 PM

    Generations of Sex Crimes ...

    C'mon Religio-cultural fault-finders ... Any1???

    ... can't wait for those high-rating parrots to share their post-trial commentaries with the masses :)
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    Australian Pitcairn Charges Likely
    The Australian ( 26 October 2004)

    FURTHER sexual abuse charges involving Britain's remote Pacific colony of Pitcairn Island were expected to be laid against people in Australia and New Zealand, the lead prosecutor said today.

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    Six out of seven men charged with multiple sex crimes were convicted yesterday after a three-week hearing on the island, which caught international attention as it involved more than half the 12 adult males in a total population of 47. However, lead prosecutor Simon Moore told Radio New Zealand from the island today that the trials were just the "tip of the iceberg".

    He said there were more charges to be laid involving people in Australia and New Zealand, but he declined to reveal any details.

    Pre-trial hearings in New Zealand involved six other defendants in Australia and New Zealand and they are awaiting extradition to Pitcairn on 41 sexual abuse charges.

    "I can't go into any details because there are extensive name suppression orders in place," Mr Moore said.

    Mayor Steve Christian - a direct descendant of 18th century Mutiny on the Bounty ringleader Fletcher Christian - was found guilty of five charges of rape against girls as young as 12.

    His son Randy Christian was found guilty of four rapes and four indecent assaults in the verdicts delivered by New Zealand judges sitting in the makeshift Supreme Court in Pitcairn.

    Mr Moore said some victims had indicated an interest in returning to Pitcairn.

    If they were satisfied justice had been done, and the island was a safe place, they might return to Pitcairn to raise their families, he said.

    "It remains to be seen if that in fact happens."

    The victims of the abuse, who pressed a total of 55 charges dating back as far as 40 years, gave evidence via video link from New Zealand.

    Women on the island said before the trial that the charges were a miscarriage of justice and the sex was consensual.

    "We all thought sex was like food on the table," said Olive Christian, 48, Steve Christian's wife.

    Although Pitcairn is a British territory halfway between New Zealand and Chile, lawyers for the men expect to argue before the Privy Council in London that England does not have jurisdiction over the island, which was settled in 1790 by Fletcher Christian and his mutineers.

    The mutineers burnt the ship, and the lawyers have argued that meant they severed their ties with Britain.

    In another legal challenge, to be heard in New Zealand next February, the lawyers will argue that even if Britain does have jurisdiction, it never promulgated the under-age sex law on Pitcairn.

    The convicted men are free on bail but may, after the other court processes have been finished, serve time in a new purpose-built prison on the island.
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    SEE ALSO
    Guilty: the Verdicts that Shamed Pitcairn Island

    Google News Archive: Pitcairn Island Sexual Assaults Trial

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Post icon  Posted 30 November 2004 - 08:32 PM

    TV Violence 'Killing Community Values'
    By: Megan Saunders
    The Australian (24 Nov 04)

    A LACK of respect in the family home and too much violence on television have been named by NSW Police Commissioner Ken Moroney as reasons why sexual assault against women continues to be a major problem while other offences are in decline.

    In an unusual foray into social commentary, the state's top policeman said yesterday that traditional community values had taken a "battering" over the past decade. Mr Moroney said there was a range of factors behind the continuing high rate of sexual assault, while the rate of other crimes was dropping.

    "The fundamental issue of respect, respect for women in the community, respect for women in the home, respect for women in the workplace and indeed the social environments that young people in particular find themselves in is an important ingredient," he said.

    "Where that respect factor begins, I believe, is not necessarily in high school, perhaps it's not even necessarily in primary school. It begins in the home, in the family.

    "The issue of the breakdown of respect for families, the institutions within the community that support the community, within the community's values, I think have taken a fair battering, particularly over the last decade or two. That may account for these reasons." Mr Moroney also singled out violence on television as a factor.

    "The issue of violence, particularly as portrayed in movies, on television, must, I suspect, in the minds of some have a debilitating effect on how and why they commit these crimes."

    Mr Moroney was speaking as the Carr Government released the latest crime statistics, which showed a drop in crimes such as robbery without a weapon, break and enter, car theft, fraud and assault. Many reductions were attributed to the heroin drought.

    But sexual assaults, murders and gun crime remained steady. The state Government is considering a special court to deal with sexual assault cases.

    The latest Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research figures show that 4001 sexual assaults were recorded in the year to September 30, 2003. In the year to September 30 this year, 4054 sexual assaults were recorded.

    Opposition police spokesman Peter Debnam accused the Carr Government of selective reporting.
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    TV Ruined My Life, the Myth & Realities of the Idiot Box

    ABA: Violence On Television Project

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Post icon  Posted 15 December 2004 - 08:23 PM

    Gang Rapist Gets Life Term For Murder
    The Sydney Morning Herald (15 Dec 2004)

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    A man already serving 40 years in jail for gang-raping a teenager during a home invasion was sentenced today to life for the murder of a Sydney chemist.

    Both incidents occurred during a three-month crime spree by the man, who can only be known as Dudley Hill for reasons relating to the identification of his co-accused.

    The spree included another gang rape during a carjacking and 10 armed robberies.

    NSW Supreme Court Justice James Wood today sentenced Hill to life for the shooting murder of Emad Youssef outside his Canley Vale pharmacy on August 1 last year.

    The 33-year-old was trying to rob Mr Youssef of his day's takings when he shot him in the chest.

    NSW District Court Judge Michael Finnane sentenced Hill last month to 40 years with a non-parole period of 30 years for the gang rape of a 16-year-old girl during a home invasion at Newington on July 17 last year.

    During sentencing today, Justice Wood described Hill as a cold, callous, vicious criminal who "presents a very serious ongoing danger to the community".

    "His psychological profile shows very little hope of him being rehabilitated," Justice Wood said.
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    He sentenced Hill on 19 charges, including the murder, which all occurred between May and August last year.

    These include two counts of gang-raping a woman during a carjacking at Newington on May 4, 2003, and armed robberies in Sydney's west and the NSW Central Coast.

    Justice Wood said while the murder on its own would not have called for a life sentence, the overall criminality of Hill's conduct over the three months called for the community to be protected.

    "Standing alone it would not have qualified for a life sentence," he said, adding: "Its commission is now to be considered in the light of the fact that it followed very serious offences of armed robbery and aggravated sexual assault which have been dealt with pursuant to the other indictments before me.

    "It also follows the quite appalling offences in reference to which the prisoner had been sentenced by Judge Finnane."

    Justice Wood said while Hill did show some remorse, it was only for a select few of his crimes and was not enough to stop him reoffending.

    "I accept that the prisoner does entertain some remorse concerning his extended criminality, although that is largely confined to the murder and the sexual assault [of the carjacking victim] and was not of sufficient weight to deter him from reoffending in a very significant way," he said.

    He also said a film was seized from Hill's home which was developed into a number of photographs of him posing with the Smith and Wesson Magnum revolver used during the murder and several armed robberies.

    While Justice Wood accepted Hill had been using the drugs ice and heroin heavily during his one-man crime wave, he said it did not excuse his behaviour.

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    Man Jailed For 17 Years Over Gang Rape
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    A 19-year-old Sydney man will spend at least 17 years in jail for his part in the gang rape of a 16-year-old girl.

    Steven James Aslett was sentenced in the Sydney District Court today to a maximum of 24 years in prison, with a non-parole period of 17 years.

    In July 2003, Aslett and three other males broke into a flat in Newington and tied up the teenager's parents before three of them raped her.

    Inspector Peter Yeomans says while police are satisfied with the sentence, it does little to ease the pain of the victim. "That victim of this crime is still suffering and will be be suffering in the future," he said.

    "It's always nice to say yes, there is satisfaction in what the judge has said today [and] the sentence and brings conclusion.

    "[The] four offenders [are] now in custody for some considerable period of time but you still feel great sorrow for the victim."

    Two other men involved have already been sentenced to 40 years and 15 years in jail.

    The fourth person involved, who cannot be named, was sentenced today to five years in jail for aggravated break and enter.
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    Teenager Jailed Over Gang Rape
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    A TEENAGER has been jailed for at least 17 years for his role in the gang rape of a 16-year-old girl during a Sydney home invasion.

    Steven James Aslett, 19, pleaded guilty in the New South Wales District Court to charges of sexual intercourse without consent and aggravated breaking and entering.

    "In my 35 years in the legal profession, I've had the misfortune to be involved in many rape trials both as counsel and as judge," Judge Michael Finnane said as he handed down the sentence.

    "In that time I've never seen a rape victim with injuries that were so severe."
    Four people broke into the Newington unit late at night and tied up the girl's parents.
    Three of the intruders then raped the girl, who was hospitalised for several days.

    Aslett was the last of the men to be sentenced. He was given a sentence of 24 years, with a 17 year non-parole period.
    Last month the ringleader in the gang rape, John Hill, 33, also known as Dudley Mark Hill, was sentenced to at least 30 years behind bars after Judge Finnane said the group had "plundered, pillaged and raped".

    Another member of the group, 18-year-old Jamie Hill – a pseudonym because he was under age at the time – was jailed for up to five years for his role in the home invasion.

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    Party Rape - The Rise of A Disturbing New Trend
    By: Eamonn Duff and John Kidman
    The Sun-Herald (6 Feb 2005)

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    A wave of gang rapes perpetrated on young Sydney women is prompting at least one recent victim to seek counselling every week.

    During the past 18 months, NSW Rape Crisis Centre officials have been inundated with calls from young women. But the overwhelming majority refused to follow through with their complaints and make reports to police, fearing ridicule by friends and family.

    Authorities believe the heart of the problem is the fact that so many of the victims are being attacked by men they know.

    In the last financial year, 63 cases were reported. A further 17 pack rape victims contacted the centre's hotline during the 12 weeks between July 1 and September 20, 2004.

    January's statistics, to be released tomorrow, will show a further six gang rapes among 148 new sexual assaults of all types. The overall figures represent a 15 per cent increase on the monthly average for last year.

    A Sun-Herald investigation has found most gang rape victims are under 20 and, in many instances, had misled parents about where they were going. In many cases they attended parties or social gatherings involving alcohol and, in some cases, drugs.

    Perhaps the most disturbing aspect is that perpetrators were nearly always known to their victims. In many cases, they were considered friends.

    "These are not gang rapes that lasted four or five hours and involved high levels of violence and degradation," centre manager Karen Willis said. "Neither is there a class, cultural or geographical reason behind the trend.

    "Typically, the evening begins with a teenage girl surrounded by familiar faces. Later on, she's met a guy, had one too many drinks and goes outside and begins what could either be consensual foreplay or sex.

    "At that point, two or three other guys join in. They take turns. And quite often, they then go back to the party to resume their night."

    Police agree the wave of offences are different in nature to the horrific gang rapes which shocked Sydney four years ago.

    Ms Willis revealed how one 15-year-old girl called counsellors last month saying four boys had raped her. "They had all started out at kindergarten with her," she said.

    A 19-year-old told the centre how a lift home with her boyfriend's mates turned into a terrifying gang rape.

    And a 20-year-old revealed how proud and happy her parents had been when the captain of a local sporting team invited her to a party.

    She said she was raped by her date and other members of his team.

    Ms Willis said only a fraction of cases were reaching police.

    "The problem is, mums and dads have no idea where their daughters have really been. That can be enough for the victim to fear telling anyone.

    "Part two is that often, the victim has to go back to school the next week and sit in the same classroom as these boys. If it's not school, it's a sports club or social group ... and the common fear is that if she breathes a word, she's the one who will end up [being] ridiculed."

    While mindful that gang rape was among the most horrendous crimes for teenagers and young women to report to police, Sex Squad commander Superintendent Kim McKay urged that victims follow through.

    "A lot of the stigma associated with this sort of crime and the barriers that would prevent them talking about it have begun to break down," she said.
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    NSW Rape Crisis Centre

    Gang Rape After School Dance

    Rape Retrial Legislation Criticised

    Eastern Suburbs Attacks Linked to Rapist

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 07:11 PM

does anyone have a link to the court transcripts?
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Posted 06 February 2005 - 11:32 PM

Race was mentioned in the case of the Skafs because it was alleged that only white Australian girls were targeted.

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Posted 07 February 2005 - 05:23 AM

Joe, on Feb 7 2005, 12:32 AM, said:

Race was mentioned in the case of the Skafs because it was alleged that only white Australian girls were targeted.
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In which case you should only need to mention the race of those being targetted, if at all. And that still doesn't explain why their religion became an issue.
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Posted 07 February 2005 - 11:56 AM

i finished reading their transcripts, from their appeal.
I cannot believe how stupid they are, not only cause of what they did, but how they are defending themselves.
The case against most of them is very weak. Some of them got IDed wrongly on a photoboard until they got it right,5 times in one case. The issue of the girl/s being on marijuana was never bought up. The ones that had the weak case against, werent allowed to have their cases seperated from the main culprit, who had a strong case against him.
The phone tower evidence used, is totally wrong, and was never challenged.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 09:45 PM

I've always found this case a bit strange.

There seems to be no doubting the ringleaders... the police had been monitoring them for some time.

But how do 11 (or was it 14) rapists identify each other and assemble together? I can understand one or two... but surely one of those guys, if he could see a rape was occuring, would have stepped in and stopped it?

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 09:47 PM

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In which case you should only need to mention the race of those being targetted, if at all.


I disagree.

If white Australian girls are being targeted by rapists, I, as a news consumer, want to know the ethnicity of the rapists.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 10:07 PM

Joe, on Feb 9 2005, 11:47 AM, said:

If white Australian girls are being targeted by rapists, I, as a news consumer, want to know the ethnicity of the rapists.
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Why?
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Posted 09 February 2005 - 10:14 PM

Because race is obviously an issue at play.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 10:23 PM

Joe, on Feb 9 2005, 12:14 PM, said:

Because race is obviously an issue at play.
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Even if it was, what benefit will stating their race do?

Apart from fuel racial tension between communities and create stereotypes?
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Posted 09 February 2005 - 10:33 PM

As a news consumer, I like to be informed.

When white Australian girls get targetted because of their race, clearly race is an issue at play, hence, I want to know the ethnicity of the rapists too.

As it turned out, every single one of the rapists was Lebanese.

Hmm, is there a problem with Lebanese culture in Australia? Why are some Lebanese youths falling so far off the tracks?

Race becomes an issue when the rapists make it one, Hiti.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 10:54 PM

But what benefit, as a news consumer, will you get knowing the race of the offenders? I just dont understand.

Joe, on Feb 9 2005, 12:33 PM, said:

When white Australian girls get targetted because of their race, clearly race is an issue at play, hence, I want to know the ethnicity of the rapists too.


Muslim girls get attacked and targetted because of their race and religion here many times and in these incidents, its always non-Muslim white youths that are the offenders.

Joe said:

Race becomes an issue when the rapists make it one, Hiti.


Just because the offenders might make race an issue, should we make it an issue too?

Joe said:

Why are some Lebanese youths falling so far off the tracks?


Most youths these days are falling so far off the tracks.
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Posted 10 February 2005 - 08:19 AM

Assalamualaikum,

Hiti don't bother too much, these are the same old tired arguements that we've had to put up with, based on the following fallacies:

- an act performed by an individual of a certain race is representive of all people of those race - clearly not true;
- these rapists are Lebanese and not Australians - in fact, they are Australians, and represent the wider the australian population as much, if not more, than their own community;
- the fallacy that rape is rife in the lebanese community - despite the fact that statistics show that the area in which these boys live is no better/worse off in terms of rape statistics than the rest of Australia;
- race should become an issue, just because the boys made racist comments during the rape.

and probably a whole heap of others I could come with. All this is besides the fact that religion was brought in to the issue as well, without any justification. Such racists arguments are just not worth the hassle of wasting time over.

It is only a race issue because people like Joe have chosen to make it one, not because of anything the rapists have said or done. People like Joe have chosen to classify these individuals as "Lebanese", despite the fact that such actions have no place in Lebanon or anywhere else. It's a simple matter of not being able to take responsibility for the problems that exist in our society, and a convenient way to shift the blame, and the solution, to someone else.

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Posted 10 February 2005 - 07:57 PM

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#56 User is offline   Joe 

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Posted 10 February 2005 - 11:21 PM

I never suggested that all Lebanese are rapists because a select few happen to be, that's obviously silly.

Additionally, there was much more evidence that the rapes were race motivated than the racial comments that were made during the rapes. Principally, that only white Australian girls were being targeted by the rapists.

The word "Jews" gets bandied about on this forum prefixing some of the most shocking inhuman acts, and apparently, the ethnicity of the perpetrators can freely be singled out in these instances, with no recourse whatsoever.

But just not when the religion of mentioned perpetrators happens to be Muslim, Sam?

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 06:23 AM

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I never suggested that all Lebanese are rapists because a select few happen to be, that's obviously silly.

And I never said you did say that "all Lebanese are rapists", I responded to your quote "Hmm, is there a problem with Lebanese culture in Australia?", a racist comment in itself, since you automatically assume that the boys in question are following "Lebanese Culture". Why didn't you ask yourself "Is there a problem with Australian Culture"?

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The word "Jews" gets bandied about on this forum prefixing some of the most shocking inhuman acts, and apparently, the ethnicity of the perpetrators can freely be singled out in these instances, with no recourse whatsoever.

That may be your perception, but if you do a quick search you'll find it happens very rarely, and it's not something we approve of.

Joe, on Feb 11 2005, 12:21 AM, said:

But just not when the religion of mentioned perpetrators happens to be Muslim, Sam?
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I'm sorry, are you accusing me of something?
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 06:59 AM

Joe, I'm talking from my experiences in Britain here – Id like to know why is it in the British/Western media, that when a white Christian commits a crime against anyone, they are identified by their name and place of residence (e.g. John Smith from Leeds), where they only represent themselves, while if a Muslim commits a crime, they are automatically identified by their race (where they cease to be British anymore) and religion, when if their religion had anything to do with it, they wouldn’t be committing the crime in the first place!

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As a news consumer, I like to be informed.


And why as a news consumer, are you not campaigning to "be in the know" about the ethnicity and religion of thousands of white Christian criminals that commit crimes that are motivated by race or religion, yet make no mention of their ethnic origins or religious beliefs when reporting these crimes in the Western media?

Joe said:

The word "Jews" gets bandied about on this forum prefixing some of the most shocking inhuman acts, and apparently, the ethnicity of the perpetrators can freely be singled out in these instances, with no recourse whatsoever.


As Sam said, we do not approve of that.

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Post icon  Posted 13 February 2005 - 06:09 PM


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#60 User is offline   Joe 

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 11:04 PM

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The word "Jews" gets bandied about on this forum prefixing some of the most shocking inhuman acts, and apparently, the ethnicity of the perpetrators can freely be singled out in these instances, with no recourse whatsoever.


That may be your perception, but if you do a quick search you'll find it happens very rarely, and it's not something we approve of.


http://forums.muslim...wtopic=9805&hl=

In reference to Daniel Pipes:

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"he's also jewish, not to be racist but yeh :\ is it any suprise that someone so viurlently islamophobic (god i hate that word) and blantantly zionist is also a jew? *Shrug*"


Not to be racist, no..

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