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#91 User is offline   Nooj 

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 02:21 PM

View Postwassim, on Nov 7 2009, 08:28 AM, said:

In this instance, as an article in the New York Times makes clear, Hasan, who joined the military out of patriotism, faced harassment for being Muslim and wanted out, even pursuing a failed legal route to early discharge. As a psychiatrist, he had counseled many returning vets who suffered PTSD. The combination of these two things apparently made him "mortified" at the prospect of being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan.

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What a despicable idiot. I would have shot myself if I really didn't want to go, and get a dishonourable discharge or something like that. How is going on a shooting rampage the answer to his problems? :roll:

In any case, the motive is still unclear. He's unconscious right now, hopefully he'll wake up and tell everyone why he killed a dozen people.

View PostNabeel, on Nov 7 2009, 10:37 AM, said:

If the U.S military had discharged him none of this would of happened.
If he hadn't decided to go on a shooting rampage, none of this would have happened. He was not forced into this, there were many other options besides killing people. Heck, he could have fled to Canada.
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Posted 07 November 2009 - 03:21 PM

View PostIbn Tarek, on Nov 7 2009, 03:20 PM, said:

you're looking to be turned off bro. Islam and life is not several posts on a forum based out of sydney in the year 2009.

life's complex and so are people and religions. just take it easy and look around and thank God for what you have.



Thanks IT, you and I have had our differences in the past, but that was very sage advice and delivered with clarity.

It wasn't lost on me.

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 03:46 PM

View PostJimmy, on Nov 7 2009, 04:21 PM, said:

Thanks IT, you and I have had our differences in the past, but that was very sage advice and delivered with clarity.

It wasn't lost on me.

Thanks again,


no worries Jimmy, thank you too for your reply. :) take care man
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Posted 07 November 2009 - 03:53 PM

The fact that he is Muslim should not really matter, were he Christian, religion would not be mentioned.
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Posted 07 November 2009 - 05:02 PM

View PostJimmy, on Nov 7 2009, 01:51 PM, said:

Or maybe you need to brush up on your comprehension and compassion skills?


fatma, you're not a muslim are you? Why don't you convert? Are you only infatuated with Muslims....and not the religion?

you are just suggesting conversion so you can get everyone homogenized in the bad basket
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Posted 07 November 2009 - 06:59 PM

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 10:31 PM

View PostHassan2jz, on Nov 7 2009, 03:53 PM, said:

The fact that he is Muslim should not really matter, were he Christian, religion would not be mentioned.

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 11:04 PM

I have two things to say.

1 - even if it is okay to kill the sort of people who were killed in this, should we as Muslims be doing it as traitors? Part of the reason it was so easy for him to do this is because he was trusted not to do something like this. If we support the idea of breaking their trust to kill them, then we don't really have much of a case when they target us at airport security or refuse us fertiliser.

2 - The reason they mention certain criminals as being Muslim is because Islam, or something related to it, would have been a motivating factor in the crime. When Christians kill abortion doctors in the USA, or Muslims in Nigeria or whatever, it is usually mentioned that they are Christian, because that is relevant to the crime.

Recently three teenagers in Melbourne were convicted of raping and torturing two men. As I recall, two of them had clearly-Muslim names, like Ahmad and Hasan or something, but it wasn't mentioned that they were Muslim, because it was irrelevant.
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Posted 07 November 2009 - 11:24 PM

View Postcbo_x, on Nov 7 2009, 11:04 PM, said:

I have two things to say.



Recently three teenagers in Melbourne were convicted of raping and torturing two men. As I recall, two of them had clearly-Muslim names, like Ahmad and Hasan or something, but it wasn't mentioned that they were Muslim, because it was irrelevant.


I agree with your first two points, however the third charachter in that saga was christian, i hardly beleive they would want to bring the word christian and rapist together in the same sentence.If the third charachter was musim be sure that there religous identity would have been mentioned.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 08:52 AM

This incident was no different to the numerous School shootings that happen across the United States. Those incidents are far more shocking and blood thirsty than this one, but usually can be attributed to some psychological problem with the perpetrator.

Here the perpetrator was an individual that early snippets of news report are saying was facing bullying and harassment because of his religious beliefs. He was not treated equally within Army ranks and was not accepted as “one of us”. On the other flip side, I am purely speculating here, but he was also probably not accepted by his Arab Muslim peers either due to his impending mission to Afghanistan. Moreover, if he was in the position of having to hear & counsel returning soldiers facing Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and thinking he would be partaking in such horrible actions. Add on top of that possible personal problems and you will have yourself a recipe for a very unstable and dangerous individual.

People here can be dishonest and attribute this to Islam etc. We will probably even hear great praise by the likes of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, they might even be dishonest as to go as far as even “claim responsibility”. Some dishonest Christians will look to score their usual brownie points against Islam & the enemies of Islam will be plotting and scheming to make this event look like another 9/11 and use it to their advantage to further their agenda.

But this action can be attributed to one thing and one thing only and that is the raging conflicts and wars currently going on (& the ones of the past). This war will have a severe impact on the countries that have put their hands into it. The aftermath will be ten times worse than Vietnam, this time it will not only break the back of the armies involved it will break the back of the countries as well (Financially & Socially)

IT’S TIME TO STOP THIS WAR. ONE BASED ON LIES AND DECEIT

Hear it from the mouth of U.S.soldiers themselves:

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 11:13 AM

View Postcbo_x, on Nov 8 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

I have two things to say.

1 - even if it is okay to kill the sort of people who were killed in this, should we as Muslims be doing it as traitors? Part of the reason it was so easy for him to do this is because he was trusted not to do something like this. If we support the idea of breaking their trust to kill them, then we don't really have much of a case when they target us at airport security or refuse us fertiliser.

2 - The reason they mention certain criminals as being Muslim is because Islam, or something related to it, would have been a motivating factor in the crime. When Christians kill abortion doctors in the USA, or Muslims in Nigeria or whatever, it is usually mentioned that they are Christian, because that is relevant to the crime.


I totally agree. Muslims are honourable people who fulfill their trusts. The Prophet (s) never betrayed anyone and what this man did was unislamic and against the way of our beloved Prophet (s)..



View Postcbo_x, on Nov 8 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

Recently three teenagers in Melbourne were convicted of raping and torturing two men. As I recall, two of them had clearly-Muslim names, like Ahmad and Hasan or something, but it wasn't mentioned that they were Muslim, because it was irrelevant.


Are their names relevent in the first place. No one can deny that Western media is biased toward Islam.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 11:15 AM

View PostMantu, on Nov 8 2009, 09:52 AM, said:

This incident was no different to the numerous School shootings that happen across the United States. Those incidents are far more shocking and blood thirsty than this one, but usually can be attributed to some psychological problem with the perpetrator.

Here the perpetrator was an individual that early snippets of news report are saying was facing bullying and harassment because of his religious beliefs. He was not treated equally within Army ranks and was not accepted as "one of us". On the other flip side, I am purely speculating here, but he was also probably not accepted by his Arab Muslim peers either due to his impending mission to Afghanistan. Moreover, if he was in the position of having to hear & counsel returning soldiers facing Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and thinking he would be partaking in such horrible actions. Add on top of that possible personal problems and you will have yourself a recipe for a very unstable and dangerous individual.

People here can be dishonest and attribute this to Islam etc. We will probably even hear great praise by the likes of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, they might even be dishonest as to go as far as even "claim responsibility". Some dishonest Christians will look to score their usual brownie points against Islam & the enemies of Islam will be plotting and scheming to make this event look like another 9/11 and use it to their advantage to further their agenda.

But this action can be attributed to one thing and one thing only and that is the raging conflicts and wars currently going on (& the ones of the past). This war will have a sever impact on the countries that have put their hands into it. The aftermath will be ten times worse than Vietnam, this time it will not only break the back of the armies involved it will break the back of the countries as well (Financially & Socially)

IT'S TIME TO STOP THIS WAR. ONE BASED ON LIES AND DECEIT

Hear it from the mouth of U.S.soldiers themselves:

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

Sargent Devon Read (Marine 2003): "The Cause of it is entirely our behavior and can be totally preventable"


Mash'Allah! well said.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 12:44 PM

Look when it comes down to it whicever mind set you have about this
that the people killed were "criminal" "that he would have been fine if he were discharged" "that he is a horrid murderer"

it comes back to one thing and one thing only CHOICE......
He did not have to kill 12 people I dont care whats going on in the world I dont care what he heard or was going to see or if he was bullied...there are numerous people in the world in positions that are very similar or maybe even worse (think police officers who have to deal with the bodies of children who have been raped torutred and killed etc) and do you see them all running out and killing people?No because they CHOOSE not to....obviously he had some reason within his head but he had other options he just choose not to follow them he could have done what many other soliders do and Concientiously Object and refuse to go and get put into prison...he could have just gone AWOL he could have done many things but he didnt he KILLED people...people with faimlies people with their own faith and their own lives and no matter what that doesnt make something right.
Alot of people would know by now that I am no fan of American foriegn policy or America and what it stands for as a whole but im sure you would all know from reading my other posts that I also see people like this in a very harsh light.....for some people in here to be wanting Jannah for the guy and calling him a hero think about this
Through what he has now gone and done how many hearts has he hardened to Islam...how many people has he successfully gotten to change their mind and now embrace Islam....im thinking that he may have done the complete OPPOSITE....maybe one of the 12 killed could have embraced Islam and reverted maybe one of their kids could have or their other faimly members but now they would be left bitter and blaming it on our religion (wether you want to view it as a crime commited Islamically or not)
For every person that takes it upon themselves to kill others they are doing more harm then good and in the end who am I or any of us to presume that we are the ones that will get to paradise...on my death I am lose evey ounce of faith I have (InshaAllah that would never happen) yet maybe my atheist neighbour would realise and revert there and then and then what happens.....any one of us could lose everything or gain the world in a manner of seconds and I just think that NOBODY has a right to make statments about those that were killed.

Hope my train of thought wasnt to scattered and that I made sense with peace Shenaye
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 06:10 PM

as'Salamu alaikum wa rahmatu'Allah wa barakatuhu my dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

do you think it could be a scam similar to twin tower incident?
If they can kill 6000 of their own men (including Muslims) and blame Muslims for their own crime, their is a possibility that same kind may have happened in smaller scale here? ....10 years from now we will probably find out that the alleged major wasn't even on the spot at that time :-(

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 10:11 PM

View Postqimtiaz, on Nov 8 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

do you think it could be a scam similar to twin tower incident?



...wow it gets even more fantastical.




Sometimes I think some of the poster on MV are plants.....you know.....just to make the Muslim community look stupid.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 10:17 PM

if u embrace islam u cant be stupid
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 10:19 PM

View PostJimmy, on Nov 8 2009, 10:11 PM, said:

...wow it gets even more fantastical.
Sometimes I think some of the poster on MV are plants.....you know.....just to make the Muslim community look stupid.


Hi there, cant trust anyone these days - in my school days, Soviets were the villains on this earth. However, the portrait of a villain changed since the lustful eye moved onto somewhere else. regards, Q
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 11:25 PM

View PostJimmy, on Nov 8 2009, 10:11 PM, said:

...wow it gets even more fantastical.




Sometimes I think some of the poster on MV are plants.....you know.....just to make the Muslim community look stupid.

Me too.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 11:30 PM

Fort Hood Suspect's Religion Was an Issue, Family Says

November 7, 2009 -- Updated 1319 GMT (2119 HKT)

A CNN Special Investigation drills down on the causes and the impact of the Fort Hood shootings, at 8 p.m. ET Saturday on CNN TV.

FORT HOOD, Texas (CNN) --

The bumper sticker reading "Allah is Love" was torn off and the car was keyed.

A police report was filed in the August 16 incident involving Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's Honda, and a neighbor was charged with criminal mischief. But what kind of impact that incident, and possibly others, had on Hasan remains a mystery.

While few official details have been released about Hasan, his family and others have given some insight into the man accused of killing 13 people and wounded 38 others in Thursday's massacre at Fort Hood Army Post in Texas.

Relatives say Hasan, a U.S.-born citizen of Palestinian descent, was a "calm" individual who had been taunted after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Others describe him as a vocal opponent to the war on terror whose rhetoric concerned colleagues.

The bumper sticker incident at Hasan's apartment complex in Killeen, Texas, is the first known example of harassment that has surfaced since the shooting. Apartment manager John Thompson said Friday that he reported the situation to police after the girlfriend of then-resident John van de Walker told him that he did it. Thompson said he saw van de Walker apologize to Hasan and that a police report was filed.

Video: Hasan's cousin speaks Video: Chaplain surprised about shooter Video: Video of shooting suspect

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He added that the bumper sticker said "Allah is Love" in Arabic, but that van de Walker knew that Hasan was Muslim before seeing it. Thompson said the last time he asked Hasan about the incident, Hasan said he was still waiting for reparations for damage to his 2006 Honda Civic.
Efforts to reach van de Walker on Friday were unsuccessful.

Hasan's cousin, Mohammad Munif Abdallah Hasan, said the Army major had wanted to leave the military because he felt disrespected over his religion.
"There was racism towards him because he's a Muslim, because he's an Arab, because he prays," the cousin said in a CNN interview in the Palestinian city of Ramallah. "They used to see him dress in traditional Muslim clothing, so he was a bit irritated because of this. Also, the fact that they wanted to send him to Iraq. He decided to leave the Army for good and hire a lawyer because of this matter."

"They wouldn't treat him as if he is one of them. He was a major in the Army and other majors wouldn't treat him equally as a major should be treated," the cousin said. " 'Yes, you are a major in the U.S. Army, but you are still an Arab, a Muslim, you have your own traditions and values and we have ours.' He was bothered by that a lot. He wasn't respected as he should have been."

The cousin added that he wanted to leave the Army, especially after getting deployment orders.

Army officials have indicated that Hasan was to deploy to Afghanistan to work with a unit already there as part of behavioral health support. It wasn't clear when Hasan was scheduled to go overseas for what would have been his first deployment.

Dr. Val Finnell, a former medical school classmate of Hasan's, described him as "a very outspoken opponent of the war" in the classroom and in public settings.

"He equated the war against terror with a war against Islam," Finnell said.

He added that he was shocked by Thursday's shooting.

"However, that said, given the things that Maj. Hasan has said to me in the past and to other people, I am not surprised."

There are about 3,500 Muslims in the U.S. Army, less than 1 percent of the total number of soldiers. The investigation into the shootings is ongoing, and Army officials have not indicated any evidence of Hasan being harassed among the ranks.

Hasan's cousin said that despite the concerns over discrimination, a motive behind the shootings still was incomprehensible.

"If he had killed one or two, I could say that he was defending himself. I could say that there could have been a problem between two sides which led to the use of weapons. But for one to kill 13 people and injure more than 30, I personally don't think that it was because someone was bothering him. There is a bigger reason that this happened and no ones knows it besides Nidal."

Mohammad Hasan remembered his cousin's trip to Jerusalem, 6 miles from Ramallah, 15 years ago to learn about his roots. "He acted normal."
More recently, Nidal Hasan may have attended a lecture in January at George Washington University involving the Israeli ambassador to the United States and other officials discussing Israel's offensive into Gaza last winter. Video from the lecture shows a person who appears to be Hasan dressed in military fatigues seated in the audience taking notes.

In a statement Friday, Hasan's family in the United States said, "We are mortified with what has unfolded and there is no justification, whatsoever, for what happened. We are all asking why this happened -- and the answer is that we simply do not know.

"We cannot explain, nor do we excuse what happened yesterday. Yesterday's violence in no way reflects the feelings, beliefs, or principles of our family," the statement continued, adding that the family is cooperating with authorities.

Hasan's neighbors on Friday said he cleaned out his apartment the morning of the shootings and gave copies of the Quran to several residents.
His next-door neighbor, Patricia Villa, said he gave her his furniture and paid her $60 to clean his apartment hours before the shooting.

"He told me he was leaving for Iraq or somewhere," Villa said. "I didn't think much of it."

Another neighbor, Willie Bell, said Hasan had helped him set up his laptop and regularly tapped into Bell's wireless service. Bell, a maintenance man at Fort Hood who didn't show up for work Thursday, said he was interviewed by the FBI for four hours that day and the laptop was seized. He said he received two calls from Hasan early Thursday, one at 2:37 a.m. asking Bell to turn on the wireless service and again at 5 a.m. to say he was moving.

An owner of a 7-Eleven convenience store at Fort Hood said Hasan, whom he knew as "Maj. Nidal," came in for coffee and hash browns most mornings, including the morning of the shootings. Surveillance video from the store obtained by CNN shows a man who the store owner said is Hasan at the cashier's counter about 6:20 a.m. Thursday -- about seven hours before the shooting -- carrying a beverage and dressed in traditional Arab garb.

While the owner said he was too busy to chat with Hasan on Thursday, he said that through his brief talks with Hasan he learned the officer didn't speak Arabic well. He added that Hasan didn't wear a wedding ring and joked several times about whether the owner knew a bride for him.

Hasan would also ask the owner whether he planned to attend Friday prayers, a mainstay of Islam, to which the owner would say that he was too busy.
Hasan was known to attend Friday prayers in Bethesda, Maryland, before he arrived at Fort Hood this year, said Imam Yahya Hendi, the Muslim chaplain at the National Naval Medical Center.

"I met him a few times and I saw him at services ... he appeared to be a very loyal American," Hendi told CNN's "Situation Room." "I know he told me once that he joined the military because he wanted to do something for America in the aftermath of September 11.

"He also told me once that he believed that Muslims who speak a language of exclusivity should not have room in the Muslim community -- that we must reject them," the chaplain continued. "And that's why for me, when I saw the footage yesterday about him, I said, 'Wait a minute -- is this the same guy I met a few years ago?' "

http://edition.cnn.c...suspect.muslim/
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 11:33 PM




Why the interviewer despite tryin to sound objective, doesn't seems to believe everything the CAIR spokesman is saying??? :wacko:
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 11:43 PM

View PostJimmy, on Nov 6 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

The evil cheer squad is alive and well I see.


Yeah good point as I also didn't like some of those very insensitive comments, however, would you be also honestly calling most of our elected politicians, actually most of governing Western politicians around the world, as the 'evil cheer squads' when the blood of many innocent human beings are shed due to our modern collateral damaging policies in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy' ( and as your favorite capitalism), Jimmy???
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 11:52 PM

View Postmaroon, on Nov 6 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

As for your bigoted views on the US - I guess you felt the same way about how they kicked Serbian ass to rescue the Bosnians from genocide too, huh? Or is your anti-US bigotry selective?


Ohhhh Please spear us of your patronizing reminder.

Go on, read your Euro-American Foreign policy updated modern history in relations to the Kosovo War and the West's kindest rescue plans for the poor Bosnian Muslims. :zzZZ:
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 11:58 PM

View Posttr3x, on Nov 6 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

Historically, a Muslim has been a pious humble person focussed on worship of Allah (swt) and living his life to help others- today the attitude of some Muslims around the world seems to have changed from that picture to one who takes delight in revenge against certain groups. The fervour for Allah (swt) is still there but there is almost a nasty streak there as well. Now some of it no doubt is due to the murder of innocent Muslims around the world by the likes of the US and Israel- but let's face it and let's be realistic more oppression and murder of Muslims is from the hand of other Muslims more so than the West.

Situations like this really bring it home, some want to not so much take joy, but let their frustrations at what is happening in Iraq by almost celebrating these sort of things- but is that how we as Muslims should really be? Should we take satisfaction in this sort of stuff? Some in the West take satisfaction when Muslims are slaughtered so why shouldn't we? The answer is simple, Allah (swt) has given us a set of rules to abide by and boundaries to live within so do we throw all that out the window? Is it better for a Muslim to become like the oppressor or is it better for a Muslim to take the higher ground? That is not to say we should remain silent in the face of oppression and murder, that is more to say we shouldn't become the oppressors and the murderers.

I have children and so do some of you, so the thing is what will the world be like for them as Muslims if this sort of stuff continues? Do you think life will be better for them? The role of every parent is to create a better life for their children then they had, are we doing that for our children?

I'm not directing this post at anyone specifically, but we need to ask ourselves do we support these sort of things happening just because they are happening to those who we may see as "the enemy"? Does it make us better people or better Muslims to do that?

The real oppression of the Muslim world is the fact that over 40% of Muslims can't read- 4 in 10 Muslims who will never be able to read the word of Allah (swt), 4 in 10 Muslims who can't follow the first word revealed to the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)- people talk about Jihad, that is a Jihad right there, a situation caused by our own corrupt leaders in the Muslim world.

So the question is do things like this shooting make life better for those 40% or worse? When there is a surge of troops in those countries, when there are mosques in the Wests burnt down, when Muslims in the west are attacked, when Western govts take away rights from our women etc will you be celebrating shootings like this?

At the end of the day this is murder, and no matter the perpetrator murder is murder, some may see this in some warped way as a victory for Muslims, it is not it is just another sign of us moving away from where we should be.



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Posted 09 November 2009 - 12:05 AM

View PostJimmy, on Nov 6 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

Wow.......how long till someone utters "Islam is a religion of peace"?


I am sorry, but what are you trying to imply here?

Are you disputing that Islam is a religion of peace?
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 12:11 AM

View PostAhmad E, on Nov 6 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

The only evil person is you, the supporter of a military that kills thousands of people a year. Can you tell me how that works?


This person has done good may Allah give him Janah. Ameen.


Brother, I am not really trying to judge him before getting all the facts, but can you please tell me what 'good' he has positively done for his community, religion, Muslim-grievances and issues worldwide???
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 12:14 AM

View Posthidden treasure, on Nov 6 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

Just because he killed 12 "criminals" does not mean that he has done good. People should really be careful of their wording... At the end of the day, He should not have joined the army in the first place. The people who died were not in the middle of killing any muslims, They were in an army base... Only Allah knows what was in their hearts at that time. He is not the only military officer who is against the mass murder thats currently happening in the middle east by their fellow comrades... Many NON muslim officers are against it to. Just because he didn't like what was going on doesn't mean he can go on a killing spree...

What's scary is people saying he did good... It reminds me of the mentality that isralies have when a palestinian is killed just for being.... Well... Palestinian.


Great points. Sis, Thank you for pointing them out. :D:
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 12:34 AM

View PostJimmy, on Nov 7 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

In my time here, never have I been turned off from a specific religion so much as what this thread has managed to achieve.


Some of you are really getting the word out.



I Agree that some of the attempted explanations and unjustifiable irresolute-justifications (I personally think there was never one to make) were poorly and emotionally carried out here; and in regards to your first point, sorry Jimmy, but your MV-post history says otherwise. Sooooo please stop being fallacious. :)
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 12:41 AM

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The Hanafi school of Islamic law is particularly insistent on the sacrosanct nature of the covenant of aman (safe-conduct) which Muslim minorities enter into with non-Muslim governments. It is forbidden, even in times of war, for Muslims living under those governments to commit crimes against non-Muslims, even when those powers are at war with Muslim states.


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Posted 09 November 2009 - 01:12 AM

View Postjasminee, on Nov 9 2009, 12:33 AM, said:

Why the interviewer despite tryin to sound objective, doesn't seems to believe everything the CAIR spokesman is saying??? :wacko:


as'Salamu alaikum wa rahmatu'Allah wa barakatuhu

few points about the video -
1. I dont like any conversation that doesnt start in the name of Allah and also any dialogue where the name of Allah isnt mentioned -
---The Prophet of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said - "No people sit in an assembly without mentioning Allah, and without asking Allah for blessings on their Prophet, except that it will be a cause of sorrow upon them. Thus if He (Allah) wishes He will punish them, and if He wishes He will forgive them." - At-Tirmithi. 3/140

I pray to Allah to forgive this Muslim brother in the video.

2. People in this world who have skull without any organic compounds inside are, in most cases, the extremely talkative people (like this interviewer). It is better not to waste time listening to their barking.

3. Muslims have always been persecuted since the beginning by the disbelievers. It started with our father Adam (peace be upon him) through the enmiry of that outcast, has been going on till today and will go on till the end. Muslims should not rush to comment against or in favour of brother Hasan as we need to listen to both parties -

---And has the news of the litigants reached you? When they climbed over the wall into (his) Mihrab (a praying place or a private room,)? [038:021]

---When they entered in upon Dawood (David), he was terrified of them, they said: "Fear not! (We are) two litigants, one of whom has wronged the other, therefore judge between us with truth, and treat us not with injustice, and guide us to the Right Way. [038:022]

---Verily, this my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have one ewe, and he says: "Hand it over to me, and he overpowered me in speech." [038:023]

---(Dawood (David)) said (immediately without listening to the opponent): "He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few." And Dawood (David) guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allah) in repentance. [038:024]

---So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and a good place of (final) return (Paradise). [038:025]

as'Salamu alaikum wa rahmatu'Allah wa barakatuhu
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 01:19 AM

View Postpepe, on Nov 9 2009, 12:41 AM, said:



as'Salamu alaikum wa rahmatu'Allah wa barakatuhu brother Pepe,
what is Sarakhsi, X, 98 ?
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