[Kal]

12 killed in army base attack

By Matt Williams, Press Association

A mass shooting at a military base in the US has left 12 people dead and dozens more injured, an army official confirmed today.


Lieutenant General Bob Cone, of Fort Hood in Texas, said a gunman open fired inside a station at which soldiers are readied for deployment to Afghanistan.


The killer, believed to be a member of the US army, was shot dead at the scene. Two other suspects have been arrested in relation to the incident.

[Kal]

http://www.smh.com.a...tml?autostart=1

"ABC News named the killed shooter as Major Malik Nadal Hasan."

[Kal]

Twelve killed in shooting rampage at US army base


Twelve people were killed and at least 31 were wounded when a soldier went on a shooting rampage at the Fort Hood U.S. Army base at Fort Hood Texas on today, base commander Lieutenant-General Bob Cone said.

Cone told reporters at the base that the gunman was killed in the attack at the facility, the biggest military base in the world and a prime point of deployment for U.S. operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison said in an interview with Fox News that she was told by military officials the gunman was an officer who had been about to be deployed to Iraq.

Several broadcast networks named him as Major Malik Nadal Hasan and said he was about 40 years old, but this could not immediately be confirmed.

Two other soldiers were apprehended as suspects.

Cone said the shooting took place at a "Soldier Readiness Facility" where soldiers preparing for overseas deployment were getting last-minute medical checkups. The shooting took place at about 1:30 p.m. CST (1930 GMT).

"The shooter was killed. He was a soldier. We since then have apprehended two additional soldiers that are suspects. There were eyewitness accounts that there may have been more than one shooter," Cone said .

Christopher Hogue, chief of media at Fort Hood, told reporters: "The only one we know who was shooting was killed and he had two handguns." The shooter was included in total of 12 killed.

President Barack Obama, speaking during an event at the Department of the Interior in Washington, said it was a "horrific outburst of violence". He added: "It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an army base on American soil."

Pentagon officials said it was unclear what triggered the shooting. "I don't know how anybody can speculate about motives at this time given how few facts we have," said Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell.

A U.S. Army official in Washington said the incident took place shortly before a scheduled graduation event at the base.

The massive Fort Hood base, is home to about 50,000 troops, although Texas U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison said there were about 35,000 troops at the base at the time.

Fort Hood is halfway between Austin and Waco, about 60 miles (100 km) from each city.

[Jimmy]

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12 Criminals Shot Dead In Pre-emptive Strike

Proud of yourself with that heading Kal?

[Ghaith]

That was not appropriate at all.

[Kal]

^ I appreciate that referring to them as criminals was a bit in your face, but not worthy of being moderated.

They are a part of an organisation (the US Military) that has illegally (both in the US constitution and international law) invaded Iraq. This organisation has killed, raped and tortured thousands/millions of people in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere in recent history!

It is interesting that on the hand it is inappropriate to call these people criminals, but then on the other hand those that commit other forms of violence, or conspire to do so, are seen as criminals/terrorists/fanatics etc.

Anyway, I understand that my topic title may have caused offence. It is interesting how language can define how we view the world.

[Ghaith]

At this stage very little is known of who was killed or the actual circumstances. It is therefore completely inappropriate for you to be making your own judgement on whether they are criminals or not and in using that language making a judgement on the acceptability or otherwise of what has occurred. Fo all you know the dead could be civilians or even family of serving people.

What is worthy of being moderated is what a moderator deems to be worthy in accordance with the forum rules.

[Kal]

^good point brother

[Ahmad E]

Kal, on Nov 6 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

^ I appreciate that referring to them as criminals was a bit in your face, but not worthy of being moderated.

They are a part of an organisation (the US Military) that has illegally (both in the US constitution and international law) invaded Iraq. This organisation has killed, raped and tortured thousands/millions of people in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere in recent history!

It is interesting that on the hand it is inappropriate to call these people criminals, but then on the other hand those that commit other forms of violence, or conspire to do so, are seen as criminals/terrorists/fanatics etc.

Anyway, I understand that my topic title may have caused offence. It is interesting how language can define how we view the world.

Right on brother, I'm with you all the way.

They are more than criminals they are mass murders who deserve what came to them, best story I've read in ages, thanks foe posting it.

Salaam,

Ahmad

[Kal]

I assumed that they were troops, but they could have been otherwise.

[Ghaith]

Early reports include a comment that one of the dead is a civilian police officer. People really need to keep their rhetoric under control. Whether you believe military personnel are fair game or not is one issue but at least wait until you know the facts.

[Kal]

Ghaith, on Nov 6 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Early reports include a comment that one of the dead is a civilian police officer. People really need to keep their rhetoric under control. Whether you believe military personnel are fair game or not is one issue but at least wait until you know the facts.

What about a topic title:

Attack on criminal organisation kills 12

[Kal]

Meanwhile in Pakistan

http://www.reuters.c...E5A22J620091105

The military said on Thursday afternoon 28 militants people had been killed in South Waziristan in the previous 24 hours

[Kal]

The victims were all soldiers gunned down in a hail of bullets at the biggest army base in the world, and also the prime point of deployment for U.S. operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The shooting happened at a Soldier Readiness Facility at Fort Hood in Texas, an area where servicemen leaving or returning from war duty are processed.


http://www.dailymail...-army-base.html

One of the gunmen - named as Major Nidal Malik Hasan and believed to be in his late 30s - was shot dead by authorities and two others were apprehended as suspects, the Army said.
Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison said of the dead gunman: 'He was a psychiatrist and he was supposed to be deployed to Iraq and he was unhappy about it. I understand that he came from Jordan.'
Hasan was licensed as a doctor in Virginia, but was said to be attached to Fort Hood on active duty rather than as a reserve.

[Kal]

Fort Hood is the headquarters of the Army 3rd Corps, the 4th Infantry Division and the 1st Cavalry Division. All those units have seen extensive duty in Iraq.

http://www.theage.co...91106-i0mb.html

[Jimmy]

Ahmad E, on Nov 6 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

Right on brother, I'm with you all the way.

They are more than criminals they are mass murders who deserve what came to them, best story I've read in ages, thanks foe posting it.

Salaam,

Ahmad

The evil cheer squad is alive and well I see.

[Kal]

Jimmy, on Nov 6 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

The evil cheer squad is alive and well I see.

ha-ha, evil, what a funny word to use.

Must come out of the George Bush Thesaurus as a synonym for Muslim.

[tr3x]

Historically, a Muslim has been a pious humble person focussed on worship of Allah (swt) and living his life to help others- today the attitude of some Muslims around the world seems to have changed from that picture to one who takes delight in revenge against certain groups. The fervour for Allah (swt) is still there but there is almost a nasty streak there as well. Now some of it no doubt is due to the murder of innocent Muslims around the world by the likes of the US and Israel- but let's face it and let's be realistic more oppression and murder of Muslims is from the hand of other Muslims more so than the West.

Situations like this really bring it home, some want to not so much take joy, but let their frustrations at what is happening in Iraq by almost celebrating these sort of things- but is that how we as Muslims should really be? Should we take satisfaction in this sort of stuff? Some in the West take satisfaction when Muslims are slaughtered so why shouldn't we? The answer is simple, Allah (swt) has given us a set of rules to abide by and boundaries to live within so do we throw all that out the window? Is it better for a Muslim to become like the oppressor or is it better for a Muslim to take the higher ground? That is not to say we should remain silent in the face of oppression and murder, that is more to say we shouldn't become the oppressors and the murderers.

I have children and so do some of you, so the thing is what will the world be like for them as Muslims if this sort of stuff continues? Do you think life will be better for them? The role of every parent is to create a better life for their children then they had, are we doing that for our children?

I'm not directing this post at anyone specifically, but we need to ask ourselves do we support these sort of things happening just because they are happening to those who we may see as "the enemy"? Does it make us better people or better Muslims to do that?

The real oppression of the Muslim world is the fact that over 40% of Muslims can't read- 4 in 10 Muslims who will never be able to read the word of Allah (swt), 4 in 10 Muslims who can't follow the first word revealed to the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)- people talk about Jihad, that is a Jihad right there, a situation caused by our own corrupt leaders in the Muslim world.

So the question is do things like this shooting make life better for those 40% or worse? When there is a surge of troops in those countries, when there are mosques in the Wests burnt down, when Muslims in the west are attacked, when Western govts take away rights from our women etc will you be celebrating shootings like this?

At the end of the day this is murder, and no matter the perpetrator murder is murder, some may see this in some warped way as a victory for Muslims, it is not it is just another sign of us moving away from where we should be.

[Kal]

^
Over the last 100 years the US military has perpetrated the worst acts of violence against people of all religious and racial backgrounds. The suffering that they have inflicted on others (Muslim and non-Muslim) is immense.

The people that died in this attack probably have extenuating circumstances for joining the military, but at the end of the day they have voluntarily joined an organisation that has created and sustained the worst type of oppression and suffering throughout the world in recent history.

What this brother did may not have achieved anything, but maybe it did. Hopefully it brought home the reality to the citizens of the US that their government can't keep perpetrating acts of violence across the world without some repercussions.

[maroon]

Hasan is in custody.

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Update at 8:12 p.m. ET: FOX News interviewed Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan. Here are some excerpts Fox provided:

"He said, 'Maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor." At first we thought he was talking about how Muslims should stand up and help the armed forces in Iraq and in Afghanistan, but apparently that wasn't the case."

"He would make comments to other individuals about how we should not be in the war in the first place… He made those comments and he stuck strongly to his faith, but, as soldiers we have a duty to follow orders from our commander in chief and our political views are set aside."

"He was hoping that President Obama would pull troops out. ... When things weren't going that way he became more agitated, more frustrated with the conflicts over there. ... He made his views well known about how he felt about the U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan."

http://content.usato...hood-in-texas/1

Here's a man who is going to swing.... that's if he manages to survive in a military prison wth others who might be a tad upset with this kook.

The question is how he managed to stay in the US military .

[Nooj]

This is going to have a nasty backlash.

[maroon]

Kal, on Nov 6 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

^
Over the last 100 years the US military has perpetrated the worst acts of violence against people of all religious and racial backgrounds. The suffering that they have inflicted on others (Muslim and non-Muslim) is immense.

The people that died in this attack probably have extenuating circumstances for joining the military, but at the end of the day they have voluntarily joined an organisation that has created and sustained the worst type of oppression and suffering throughout the world in recent history.

What this brother did may not have achieved anything, but maybe it did. Hopefully it brought home the reality to the citizens of the US that their government can't keep perpetrating acts of violence across the world without some repercussions.

What twaddle Kal. This guy is clearly a demented criminal. Why you would seek to associate your religion with his cause beggars belief. Why be associated with a sociopath?

As for your bigoted views on the US - I guess you felt the same way about how they kicked Serbian ass to rescue the Bosnians from genocide too, huh? Or is your anti-US bigotry selective?

[Nooj]

Kal, on Nov 6 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

^
Over the last 100 years the US military has perpetrated the worst acts of violence against people of all religious and racial backgrounds.

Forgetting Nazi Germany, you know the nation that killed tens of millions of people in Europe and Russia?

[Kal]

^ I am not going to get in to an argument about whether the US is good or bad.

Read Killing Hope by William Blum and you will pretty soon see that anything positive to come out of US foreign policy is the exception not the rule.

You are the one associating religion with this act, not me. I don't see this as a war between religions, but a war of the oppressed against the most powerful and aggressive nation in the world.

How do you suggest those who want to fight against oppression go about it?

Protest? That has never worked.

The only reason that these countries will leave Iraq or Afghanistan is either troop deaths or financial problems. This was true of the vietnam war and is evident in the way these wars have been reported and the subsequent public response.

[Kal]

Nooj, on Nov 6 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

Forgetting Nazi Germany, you know the nation that killed tens of millions of people in Europe and Russia?

bro, I wasn't trying to rank them. Just trying to emphasise the gravity of their aggression.

[Othman]

Bigoted views on the US? Lol! Funny how delusional some can be. Everyone knows the dirty work the US gets up all around the world, yet criticism of this is somehow bigotry.

May Allah reward you Kal, for upholding the truth, and expressing it without fear or favour.

[maroon]

Kal, on Nov 6 2009, 01:45 PM, said:

You are the one associating religion with this act, not me. I don't see this as a war between religions, but a war of the oppressed against the most powerful and aggressive nation in the world.

I suspect you will find when the facts emerge that it was actually Major Hasan making the religious association Kal, according to reports I see on Fox News 10 minutes ago.

As for your denial, one need only look at the original disgraceful heading the moderators removed and your posts since to see the islamist slant you put on it from the outset, cheering on this sociopath instead of condemning him as most have here . As for the old "war of the oppressed" argument, perhaps you ought ask Iraqis who still live there whether they are happy to be free of Saddam; or ask Afghans who still live there whether they prefer to live under the 7th century yoke of the Taliban. Or as I said earlier, ask the Bosnian Muslims. For that matter, ask any European who experienced WW2 what they thought of the US intervention, or any Chinese, Korean, Indonesian, Papuan who endured Japanese aggression what they thought of US intervention. The fact is the US has done more to advance freedom than probably all other nations combined in the past century.

[Nooj]

Kal, was this shooting spree Islamically justifiable or not?

[Othman]

Oh..Fox news..that explains maroons views.

[Kal]

Nooj, on Nov 6 2009, 03:27 PM, said:

Kal, was this shooting spree Islamically justifiable or not?

To be honest bro, my knowledge of Islam is very limited so I wouldn't know. I only speak from the perspective of someone that hates injustice.