[chilena]

Muslim pupils beat teacher to death
March 22, 2007 - 1:01PM



Muslim pupils at a secondary school in northeastern Nigeria have beaten a teacher to death after accusing her of desecrating the Koran, police and witnesses said.

Oluwatoyin Olusase, a Christian, was adjudicating an Islamic Religious Knowledge exam at the school in Gombe state when the incident occurred.

The students attacked her outside the school compound after the exam and killed her, witnesses said.

It was not clear exactly what Olusase had done that angered the students.

Police confirmed the killing and said their intervention had prevented the incident from turning into a riot.

"We have received information that a female teacher has been lynched by her students. We are investigating the report," Gombe state police commissioner Joseph Ibi said.

At least five people were killed and several churches burned down in February 2006 in the neighbouring state of Bauchi by Muslims infuriated that a Christian teacher in a secondary school had tried to confiscate a Koran from a student who was reading it during class.

Word got out into the streets that the teacher had desecrated the Koran, infuriating Muslims who went on the rampage.

At least 15,000 people have died in religious, communal and political violence in Africa's most populous country since 1999, when Nigeria returned to democracy after 30 years of almost unbroken military rule.

http://www.smh.com.a...4153201580.html

[Jaaved]

and it's with this incident, that the world will judges the entire Muslim world by....

[AM]

But why so much rage? This visceral anger characterises so much of the crimes that Muslims are involved in (just yesterday there were reports of a man ripping out his wife's eyes) and I just can't comprehend it.

Did these students understand and reflect on the merciful words in the Qur'an that they so virulently defended through their murder? The irony is tragic.

[Kulazzi]

AM, on Mar 22 2007, 02:40 PM, said:

...Did these students understand and reflect on the merciful words in the Qur'an that they so virulently defended through their murder?  The irony is tragic.

It's like the same concept that you are fighting for peace

[Ghaith]

chilena, on Mar 22 2007, 01:53 PM, said:

Muslim pupils beat teacher to death
March 22, 2007 - 1:01PM
Muslim pupils at a secondary school in northeastern Nigeria have beaten a teacher to death after accusing her of desecrating the Koran, police and witnesses said.

Oluwatoyin Olusase, a Christian, was adjudicating an Islamic Religious Knowledge exam at the school in Gombe state when the incident occurred.

The students attacked her outside the school compound after the exam and killed her, witnesses said.

It was not clear exactly what Olusase had done that angered the students.

Police confirmed the killing and said their intervention had prevented the incident from turning into a riot.

"We have received information that a female teacher has been lynched by her students. We are investigating the report," Gombe state police commissioner Joseph Ibi said.

At least five people were killed and several churches burned down in February 2006 in the neighbouring state of Bauchi by Muslims infuriated that a Christian teacher in a secondary school had tried to confiscate a Koran from a student who was reading it during class.

Word got out into the streets that the teacher had desecrated the Koran, infuriating Muslims who went on the rampage.

At least 15,000 people have died in religious, communal and political violence in Africa's most populous country since 1999, when Nigeria returned to democracy after 30 years of almost unbroken military rule.

http://www.smh.com.a...4153201580.html

Sorry did I miss something here....doesn't the report of this particular incident say that the police don't know what caused it?

[WinterBorn]

Ghaith, on Mar 22 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

Sorry did I miss something here....doesn't the report of this particular incident say that the police don't know what caused it?

You are quite right Ghaith. I always worry about such reports - what really happened? Having said that, it is rather difficult to imagine what a teacher would do to have a group of students decide to kill her.

[Ghaith]

I agree Winterborn. I can't think of any reason myself. But it's the headline that I have issue with.

Peace
Ghaith

[Bertie]

Ghaith, on Mar 22 2007, 06:04 PM, said:

But it's the headline that I have issue with.

It's the killing I have an issue with. She is dead and I don't think you can nudge this to make the muslims the victims here.

[Mowlana Vector]

Mar 22 2007, on 01:53 PM, said:

Muslim pupils beat teacher to death
http://www.smh.com.a...4153201580.html

Interesting Islamo-afflicted glocal sub-editing which gives a horrid meaning to the denotative and connotative communicative practices of 2days international journalism

[syd]

WinterBorn, on Mar 22 2007, 06:01 PM, said:

You are quite right Ghaith. I always worry about such reports - what really happened? Having said that, it is rather difficult to imagine what a teacher would do to have a group of students decide to kill her.

According to Mowlana Vector's link, indianmuslims.info explains:

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Oluwatoyin Oluwasesan had allegedly collected books from her students before they were to write an exam and tossed them outside of the classroom. A copy of the Koran was apparently among the texts, sparking uproar by the pupils

Source: Indian Muslims

[maimat]

WinterBorn, on Mar 22 2007, 07:01 PM, said:

Having said that, it is rather difficult to imagine what a teacher would do to have a group of students decide to kill her.

That's because nothing should. I wouldn't be surprised if this case ends up being a classic example of mob mentality.

As for the headline, I don't see anything wrong with it. "Muslim pupils beat teacher to death" is pretty accurate.

[Ghaith]

Bertie, on Mar 23 2007, 10:44 AM, said:

It's the killing I have an issue with. She is dead and I don't think you can nudge this to make the muslims the victims here.

Bertie....I was doing no such thing.

[Mowlana Vector]

maimat, on Mar 23 2007, 01:48 PM, said:

...
As for the headline, I don't see anything wrong with it. "Muslim pupils beat teacher to death" is pretty accurate.

Understandably so, However, is the pupils' religion the categorical driving force, to to be used as a qualifying conjured connotative-headline?

Maybe the Adman, David Ogilvy was right when he wrote: "... the headline is the 'ticket on the meat.' Use it to flag down readers who are prospects for the kind of product you are advertising”. So in the case of today's (post)orientalist-saturated glocal journalism; it is the misconstrued knowledge(construction) that sadly appears to be the enticing ticket for popular media production (oops I mean consumption )

[WinterBorn]

This is typical media behaviour. If the pupils had belonged to a 'mainstream' Western religion, their religion would not have been mentioned in the headline. Just as Lindy Chamberlains religion played an enormous role in the dingo story, despite it having nothing whatsoever to do with whatever it was that happened. If tomorrow morning a person who happened to be a catholic killed someone in Sydney, the headline would read 'man kills woman in fit of rage'. If the man happened to be a Seventh-Day Adventist or a Jehovah Witness, the headline would read 'Seventh-Day Adventist or Jehovah WItness kills woman.'

Sadly, it is how the media is.

I don't know the full story here, but it probably has more to do with uneducated primitive people than anything else.

[syd]

WinterBorn, on Mar 28 2007, 05:54 AM, said:

This is typical media behaviour. If the pupils had belonged to a 'mainstream' Western religion, their religion would not have been mentioned in the headline. Just as Lindy Chamberlains religion played an enormous role in the dingo story, despite it having nothing whatsoever to do with whatever it was that happened. If tomorrow morning a person who happened to be a catholic killed someone in Sydney, the headline would read 'man kills woman in fit of rage'. If the man happened to be a Seventh-Day Adventist or a Jehovah Witness, the headline would read 'Seventh-Day Adventist or Jehovah WItness kills woman.'

Sadly, it is how the media is.

I don't know the full story here, but it probably has more to do with uneducated primitive people than anything else.

Normally I would agree with you Winterborn, i've see the religion of crims in Australia brought up only if they are muslims (recent one was the GP in Wagga Wagga found guilty of rape - they wrote his faith in the headline), despite the irrelevance to the story or crime.

However in this case I think faith was certainly the issue..
Or am i reading this incorrectly....:

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Oluwatoyin Oluwasesan had allegedly collected books from her students before they were to write an exam and tossed them outside of the classroom. A copy of the Koran was apparently among the texts, sparking uproar by the pupils

Source

EDIT: STORY HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM LINK

This post has been edited by syd: 28 March 2007 - 09:13 AM

[tsigana]

Very sad indeed, especially for the good Muslims out there who don't condone this sort of behaviour.......as for the publicity, another scratch against Islam. If they were educated right from the beginning, this mass hysteria which turned into a lynch killing wouldn't have occurred in the first place....its a shame that an teacher dies possibly not knowing the effect of tossing some books ( a Quran included ) out before an exam. Very sad indeed.

[WinterBorn]

[quote name='syd' date='Mar 28 2007, 09:00 AM']
Normally I would agree with you Winterborn, i've see the religion of crims in Australia brought up only if they are muslims (recent one was the GP in Wagga Wagga found guilty of rape - they wrote his faith in the headline), despite the irrelevance to the story or crime.

However in this case I think faith was certainly the issue..
Or am i reading this incorrectly....:
Source

I understand your point of view Syd, but I still suspect that a lot of it has to do with lack of education, ignorance etc. I also suspect that these students have not been well-schooled in their religion.

[Village Phantom]

WinterBorn, on Mar 22 2007, 06:01 PM, said:

You are quite right Ghaith. I always worry about such reports - what really happened? Having said that, it is rather difficult to imagine what a teacher would do to have a group of students decide to kill her.

maybe she failed their hsc trials..

This post has been edited by Village Phantom: 28 March 2007 - 09:52 PM

[tsigana]

I agree with you WinterBorn, it is a matter of education, religious education not scholastic. It seems reasonable to assume that they have either not been taught or that they have been misguided, or taught according to a one sided interpretation which relfected through the actions. What do you think?

[Niche]

she must of done something outrageous to cause their rage. This is just not normal.

This in no way justifies their actions what so ever and it is sad, that a teacher no matter how or what she may have done, dies.

[tsigana]

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Oluwatoyin Oluwasesan had allegedly collected books from her students before they were to write an exam and tossed them outside of the classroom. A copy of the Koran was apparently among the texts, sparking uproar by the pupils

Perhaps this is the reason why? I know the Quran isn't considered just a book, its Word of God, so when someone tosses it would be considered a very bad thing indeed.

[Hasaan Fatal]

Some of my boys considered having me assassinated when I blasphemed 2Pac - a intellectually paralysed, tattooed thug who praised the virtues of women one minute (Keep Ya Head Up) and degraded them the next (How Do You Want It? / Hit 'Em Up)

While I condemn the brutal and killing of a teacher, it's refreshing to hear of some boys whose love and attachment to the Qur'an has been placed above the love and attachment of sadistic MTV heroes and all their "bling bling".

[Niche]

Hasaan, on Mar 29 2007, 11:35 AM, said:

Some of my boys considered having me assassinated when I blasphemed 2Pac  - a intellectually paralysed, tattooed thug who praised the virtues of women one minute (Keep Ya Head Up) and degraded them the next (How Do You Want It? / Hit 'Em Up)

While I condemn the brutal and killing of a teacher, it's refreshing to hear of some boys whose love and attachment to the Qur'an has been placed above the love and attachment of sadistic MTV heroes and all their "bling bling".

Hasaan, you should of slapped them silly!

I can't stand those tupac maniacs.

I once told this idiot off so badly he almost cried..... he loved tupac that much!

[WinterBorn]

tsigana, on Mar 29 2007, 10:01 AM, said:

I agree with you WinterBorn, it is a matter of education, religious education not scholastic. It seems reasonable to assume that they have either not been taught or that they have been misguided, or taught according to a one sided interpretation which relfected through the actions. What do you think?

I obviously can't judge as I don't have all the facts. My copy of the Noble Qur'an is treated with respect, but I am unaware of what Islam says should be done to someone who descrates it. There's nothing in the Bible that I am aware of that says anything about what should be done about similar behaviour, but look at the disgusting stuff that went on in the Middle Ages. How many people were burnt at the stake for minor infringments of Christianity, if they were infringements at all?

I can't help but feel that she couldn't have done anything so bad as to deserve death.

[CEYLAN]

Why would a teacher "throw books out". Regardless of the book. Ain't teachers the ones that teach us the love of books?

I think there is more to this story.

I also don't think it is Islam related. Cultural maybe.

[mango]

CEYLAN, on Mar 29 2007, 01:28 PM, said:

Why would a teacher "throw books out". Regardless of the book. Ain't teachers the ones that teach us the love of books?
I think there is more to this story.

I also don't think it is Islam related. Cultural maybe.

@ fist para!!

and @ last para!

[tsigana]

Ummm perhaps it had to do with the fact that there were students going into an exam...the last time I checked, I couldn't take my books into an exam. They collect them from you, toss them on a table and tell you to collect them after the exam.

WinterBorn - I obviously can't judge as I don't have all the facts. My copy of the Noble Curran is treated with respect, but I am unaware of what Islam says should be done to someone who desecrates it. There's nothing in the Bible that I am aware of that says anything about what should be done about similar behaviour, but look at the disgusting stuff that went on in the Middle Ages. How many people were burnt at the stake for minor infringments of Christianity, if they were infringements at all?

I can't help but feel that she couldn't have done anything so bad as to deserve death.

None of us can judge, only God can judge the actions of those involved and what was in their heart. I know the Quran is more than a book, my Muslim friends would look at me funny when I would write notes in the column of my Bible but can the action be considered as desecration though or perhaps hysterical outburst because it was shown irreverence without understanding? Do we know that the teacher understood what she was tossing and what effect it would have? I guess the facts at the end of the day are what are required to obtain more clarity on the article.....there are indications as to what caused it, but no-one will ever know unless it comes from the mouth of those who killed the teacher.

I guess when you were talking about the Middle Ages of Christianity you were talking about the Inquisitions? That's what you get when you mix politics with religion......control mechanisms for one set religion instead of "no compulsion in religion". Christians have learnt their lesson from that experience and won't go back there again but are not ashamed nor hide the fact that it occurred. I also think it highly unlikely that you will get that headline as such "Christian Pupils beat teacher to death over Bible" in todays day and age.

I feel for the situation and agree with your closing comment.

This post has been edited by tsigana: 30 March 2007 - 12:06 PM

[CEYLAN]

tsigana, on Mar 30 2007, 12:46 PM, said:

Ummm perhaps it had to do with the fact that there were students going into an exam...the last time I checked, I couldn't take my books into an exam. They collect them from you, toss them on a table and tell you to collect them after the exam.

Big difference in placing books on a "table" and tossing them out the "window"

[tsigana]

Hmmm North Eastern Nigeria, I wonder if they have the pleasure we have here in Australia when it comes to education,exams or the faculties? We are spoilt here but they live in poverty. I wonder if they have the same streamline processes we have here in respect to exam faculties.....or exams in compounds?

[Human]

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While I condemn the brutal and killing of a teacher, it's refreshing to hear of some boys whose love and attachment to the Qur'an has been placed above the love and attachment of sadistic MTV heroes and all their "bling bling".

What's the difference if the end result is just the same?

Human