[Mantu]

Yes NSW young Australian of the year award goes to......

Iktimal Hage-Ali

http://www.australia...ges/page286.asp

Apart from Iktimal attending a few conferences here and there. In all honesty, she has done very little for the Muslim community she claims to represent. Maybe I am just ignorant, but please if someone else could list for me her achievements in the community. What has she done on the ground for her to be worthy of such an award? Or is this just political ploy to appease Muslims.

Anyway on a side note the way I heard about this was, this morning on the way to work a girl with a "Bankstown" accent was talking on radio about how great she is and how she has changed the perception of Muslims to Non-Muslims. Anyway at the end she said she was thrilled she got the award which was a "glass thing" and a champagne bottle. The host asked her how the champagne was? she said she hasn't had it yet, but she had plenty of champagne last night at the ceremony......

The broadcaster ended by saying that "was Iktimal Hagg-Ali Muslim Youth leader"

I laughed, but deep down I cried. We Muslims are a joke.

This is Iktimal's bio on the site.

Youth leader

For many years, Iktimal Hage-Ali has juggled full-time employment, part-time university study, and her commitment to a large number of organisations with the aim of establishing positive links between Muslim and non-Muslim communities. Iktimal began her advocacy early - she was an active member of her student representative council in year three. In 2000, she was one of fifty young people to participate in the Prime Minister's Youth Roundtable. She must have impressed, because she was asked to attend last year's Summit with Muslim Community Leaders in Canberra . Out of twelve attendees, she was one of only three women and the only person under thirty-five. Her polished, intelligent, and positive contribution created a public sensation. Overnight she became a voice for young Muslim Australians who were feeling isolated and rejected. Iktimal believes that, even if she changes just one person's negative opinion of Muslim people, she will have done her job.


Yes overnight she became a spokesperson for the community of "one" she represents.

This post has been edited by Mantu: 01 December 2006 - 10:14 PM

[Sabrinee]

Mantu, on Dec 1 2006, 08:33 PM, said:

Anyway at the end she said she was thrilled she got the award which was a "glass thing" and a champagne bottle. The host asked her how the champagne was? she said she hasn't had it yet, but she had plenty of champagne last night at the ceremony......

The AMAA should open up a new category- Most Brown-nosed Muslim of the year

[Reemz]

Umm Im not sure if his is true but I heard that she is Alowiyah- another sect of 'muslims', and they believe that its ok to have alcohol, so manybe thats why she said that OR she could be trying to "intergrate" into the Australian society.

[Hayaa]

Haven't heard of her . So does that matter to those who claim she represents Muslims in Aus?

[sarah123]

Mantu, on Dec 1 2006, 07:33 PM, said:

Anyway at the end she said she was thrilled she got the award which was a "glass thing" and a champagne bottle. The host asked her how the champagne was? she said she hasn't had it yet, but she had plenty of champagne last night at the ceremony......

[Sabrinee]

Reemz, on Dec 1 2006, 09:20 PM, said:

Umm Im not sure if his is true but I heard that she is Alowiyah- another sect of 'muslims', and they believe that its ok to have alcohol, so manybe thats why she said that OR she could be trying to "intergrate" into the Australian society.

In that case, she has no right to speak on behalf of an entire community if she holds minority views. I too have heard she's allawi from a reliable source and quite frankly I find rather impertinent for a person with a self-given license to drink to claim they represent Australian Muslims.

I've met the woman a few times and can't deny that she is well-spoken and "polished". Her calm and collected facade does greatly to push her into the spotlight, singling her out as a 'moderate and modern' Muslim woman. Someone the Howard's and the Jones's of the world regard as the ideal Muslim woman.

Allahu a'lam what her true intentions are but I don't think it takes a genius to realise she's putty in the hands of the Australian govt.

[Xander]

Sabrinee, on Dec 1 2006, 08:49 PM, said:

.... I don't think it takes a genius to realise she's putty in the hands of the Australian govt.

Interesting to read all kinds of sentiments and reactions when it comes to the “government”. Just out of curiosity: to all those who are against any government intervention or exertion and a supporter of Shaykh Taj as a Mufti – let’s go back a decade or so. The labour government is creating an artificial position – the role of Mufti – through AFIC, another government affiliated organisation – to fulfil their election fantasy. What would have been your reactions? Voicing out rage against the newly found and made position of Mufti by the government? Welcoming it wholeheartedly? Discrediting it simply as a government ploy and accusing the position as government “putty”? I don’t know who the above mentioned female is, but simply attacking anyone and everyone who somehow happens to have some kind of “government” connection or working via through some government agencies is simply not right.

[Scalpel]

A person who drinks champagne, especially unabashedly, cannot represent the Muslim community. That is the main concern.

Well if we want to delve into hypotheticals, I believe that in this case the religious institution needs to be seperate from any government intervention. Government involvement equals changing the cultural norm of the community.

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[Othman]

Shantaram, on Dec 1 2006, 09:35 PM, said:

I don’t know who the above mentioned female is, but simply attacking anyone and everyone who somehow happens to have some kind of “government” connection or working via through some government agencies is simply not right.

If you don't know who she is, you obviously haven't followed recent developments in the community. Which places your comments out of any relevant context.

[Xander]

Scalpel, on Dec 1 2006, 09:51 PM, said:

A person who drinks champagne, especially unabashedly, cannot represent the Muslim community. That is the main concern.

That wasn't Iktimal, as far as I understand from Mantu's comment. That was someone else on the radio.

Othman. Was that your answer to my question? I have the luxury of not feeling the need to provide any evidences of me following – or not following – whatever the development that took place and still taking place in the community. There is certainly a difference between knowing her and having heard of her over one or the other form of media. Perhaps you can shine some light upon my ignorance and give us, or at least me, a detailed and elaborate answer on who and what exactly she is.

[Sabrinee]

Shantaram, on Dec 1 2006, 10:35 PM, said:

Interesting to read all kinds of sentiments and reactions when it comes to the “government”. Just out of curiosity:  to all those who are against any government intervention or exertion and a supporter of Shaykh Taj as a Mufti – let’s go back a decade or so. The labour government is creating an artificial position – the role of Mufti – through AFIC, another government affiliated organisation – to fulfil their election fantasy. What would have been your reactions? Voicing out rage against the newly found and made position of Mufti by the government? Welcoming it wholeheartedly? Discrediting it simply as a government ploy and accusing the position as government “putty”? I don’t know who the above mentioned female is, but simply attacking anyone and everyone who somehow happens to have some kind of “government” connection or working via through some government agencies is simply not right.

My so-called 'attack' in no way implies a connection with the Government is automatically a bad thing. Yes, I and any other self-respecting Muslim do have qualms with the current Australian authority considering its unashamed attacks on our community in recent times. The way the government has used Iktimal Ali, self-righteously presenting her as the model for all Muslim women is as much fanciful as it is insulting.

Iktimal in no way represents me or the vast majority of Muslim women in our community and in my opinion, there is an abundance of women in our community with greater intellect, credentials and leadership skills that the authority tends to by-pass because of their unrelenting adherance to Islamic principles.

It's about being the 'putty' that will parrot the neo-Con's version of Islam to the rest of Australian society while disregarding basic Islamic principles in order to stay in their good books. The champagne pretty much says it all.

[Mantu]

Shantaram, on Dec 1 2006, 09:35 PM, said:

Just out of curiosity:  to all those who are against any government intervention or exertion and a supporter of Shaykh Taj as a Mufti – let’s go back a decade or so. The labour government is creating an artificial position – the role of Mufti – through AFIC, another government affiliated organisation – to fulfil their election fantasy. What would have been your reactions? Voicing out rage against the newly found and made position of Mufti by the government? Welcoming it wholeheartedly? Discrediting it simply as a government ploy and accusing the position as government “putty”?

Good point. But still Sheikh Taj atleast had his work on the ground to prove that he was worthy of the "title", my question is where is Iktimals?

[Mantu]

Shantaram, on Dec 1 2006, 10:04 PM, said:

That wasn't Iktimal, as far as I understand from Mantu's comment. That was someone else on the radio.

Sorry I could have worded it better, that was Iktimal on the radio.

I will go and edit it.

This post has been edited by Mantu: 01 December 2006 - 10:14 PM

[olive tree]

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The host asked her how the champagne was? she said she hasn't had it yet, but she had plenty of champagne last night at the ceremony......

i am not sorry for saying this, what a disgrace

[Astral]

Reemz said:

Umm Im not sure if his is true but I heard that she is Alowiyah- another sect of 'muslims', and they believe that its ok to have alcohol, so manybe thats why she said that OR she could be trying to "intergrate" into the Australian society. 

Yes, I heard that too (i think it was from radio or newspaper).
Her drinking alcohol does not surprise me at all. In fact I predicted she would be considering the 'alevi' aspect of her.
Heck, even this thread/award does not surprise me. When I saw the title I knew it was Iktimal.
But I gotta give credit to her. Unlike so many others who have studied Islam through and through, who have worked with Muslims one-on-one, Iktimal without lifting fingernail has become the representative of all Muslims of Australia just by licking a few holes. Kudos to her.

Not.

[AbuSufyaan]

[Othman]

AbuSuyfaan, akhi, if there was a most 'intriguing' male on MV poll, you would win hands down.

[Astral]

if there was most annoying male poll i'd be creating numerous accounts just to vote for abusufyan.

[intifada]

Othman, on Dec 1 2006, 11:53 PM, said:

AbuSuyfaan, akhi, if there was a most 'intriguing' male on MV poll, you would win hands down.

substitute intriguing for annoying and i would totally vote for him in that poll...


















just kidding bro



edit: stupid question deleted.

This post has been edited by intifada: 01 December 2006 - 10:58 PM

[intifada]

Astral, on Dec 1 2006, 11:57 PM, said:

if there was most annoying male poll i'd be creating numerous accounts just to vote for abusufyan.

LOL we posted at the same time!

[Abdul Rahman]

Astral, on Dec 1 2006, 11:57 PM, said:

if there was most annoying male poll i'd be creating numerous accounts just to vote for abusufyan.

There is a bit too much competition (ask mercurial who she'd vote for hey Oafman ;-). I've been trying hard lately too.

[Xander]

Sabrinee, on Dec 1 2006, 10:07 PM, said:

... Muslim do have qualms with the current Australian authority considering its unashamed attacks on our community in recent times.

Respect should be given when and where it’s due but I don’t think that the current government deserves any of it and whose sincerity has to be questioned, but despite all these, you – we, the Muslims at large, can’t let ourselves/themselves to be marginalised. At one hand, we have the likes of Kara Ali and Co and on the other hand we have Trad – a spin doctor, titled as such by the wrong person for the right reason. During all these media saga over the recent comments by the Mufti, all we’ve had is polarised debates. The Habashis and the Trad and Co pitting against each other. We haven’t had someone from the middle group. Actually, we’ve had them, but they did not get as much publicity as the rest. Regarding those comments, all we heard was apologies after apologies and avoidance. Only couple of people really tried to deal it out and Silma and Tanveer was one of those fews. Quoting Tanveer, it was the “Islamic critique of the west” and “identifying through differentiation”. And no one can deny that. Just re-read the transcript. Trad lied days after days saying that those comments were about Muslim women and about modesty. No, they weren’t about Muslim women. They were about non-Muslim women. I can’t imagine the Shaykh telling those elderly chaps in the Masjid after Tarawih in Ramadan that their temptress daughters would go round and round seducing and inciting those poor Muslim men – leading them to committee the crime of rape – and having committed the crime, being ended up in jails for 65 years, judged by a “merciless” judge. We just have to get out of that , if I may use the word as an example, left-right dialectic. Just to clear it up, as far as Shaykh Taj is concerned, whenever I express my concern, I express my concern at the wasted office of “Mufti”. He goes around travelling and attending all these conferences and whatever and yet, his subjects – Muslims of Australia, don’t have access to him or to his office. There are a large group of Muslims who don’t even know who actually he is! He can serve and I am sure will continue to serve the same kind and amount of people he has been serving without the office of the “Mufti”. I have always wondered how can the office of Mufti be of service to the Muslims when it at the first place was artificially created and invented to ascertain some political agenda.

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The way the government has used Iktimal Ali, self-righteously presenting her as the model for all Muslim women is as much fanciful as it is insulting.

There will always be pseudo-representatives. They are used to weaken, divine and conquer. Do you really think Howard or the Liberal right wing caucus gives a toss about the need and wants of the Muslims in Australia? They have their own agenda and Muslims are simply being used to drive up and drive down their neo-con tinted propaganda. The more the likes of Kara and Hage rages and rants claiming to be “Islamic” and represent Islam, the more the majority of the Muslims will resists and complain and the more the government will point out to the general public saying that the majority of the Muslims are bad news. So at least, as far as I am concerned, stop resisting the likes of them. Not a single soul will enter Islam or leave Islam hearing their so-called “Islamic” preaching. Let them do whatever they want to do. They will die out and decompose as fast as they appeared on the scene. They are just a tool for a purpose and for them to work efficiently, they need to be fuelled. We are simply fuelling them and handing the government and the media the perfect tool to attack Islam on a golden platter, by criticising them – and wasting our valuable time at a wasted cause.

[fatma]

I think it is great that she has won the award. I can't believe the nasty comments that have been written about her. I think it wonderful that a young muslim woman has won the award and that is a cause for celebration not denigration. Why can't the muslim community support and celebrate each other's success? why be so cynical? and why is it have you are taking a moral inventory of another person anyway?

[olive tree]

AbuSufyaan, on Dec 1 2006, 10:41 PM, said:

[mod: deleted]

it is all about power. she knows we dont appreciate her representing us, but its the power that drives her.

drinking champagne, astaghfirallah! that is just sick. iktimal, if you are reading, you have just hit a new

L
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!

[Othman]

Abdul Rahman, on Dec 1 2006, 11:01 PM, said:

There is a bit too much competition (ask mercurial who she'd vote for hey Oafman ;-). I've been trying hard lately too.

Nah, I reckon we were on good (mutual tolerance) terms before she left.

[olive tree]

isnt tomorrow the Aust. Muslim Awards?

she isnt event acknowledged by Oz Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to be in any finalist position, but she is acknowledged by the government as representing muslims.

can't they see we don't want her.

[fatma]

olive tree, on Dec 1 2006, 11:07 PM, said:

[mod: deleted]
it is all about power. she knows we dont appreciate her representing us, but its the power that drives her.

drinking champagne, astaghfirallah! that is just sick. iktimal, if you are reading, you have just hit a new

L
O
W
!

Does Islam condone passing these types of judgement on other people?

[Abdul Rahman]

Othman, on Dec 2 2006, 12:07 AM, said:

Nah, I reckon we were on good (mutual tolerance) terms before she left.

I prefer my version of events. It's more entertaining. Come on admit it bro, you have a thing for her.

She left! I noticed she hadn't posted much lately, but I thought all that leaving nonsense was over with

[Umm Ahmed]

fatma, on Dec 2 2006, 12:05 AM, said:

I think it is great that she has won the award. I can't believe the nasty comments that have been written about her. I think it wonderful that a young muslim woman has won the award and that is a cause for celebration not denigration. Why can't the muslim community support and celebrate each other's success? why be so cynical? and why is it have you are taking a moral inventory of another person anyway?

I cannot support any person who openly defies Allah's teachings by drinking something that has been completely forbidden in the Quran.

[olive tree]

fatma, on Dec 1 2006, 11:12 PM, said:

Does Islam condone passing these types of judgement on other people?

its called hypocrisy fatma.