[znood elsit]

raffat, on Apr 25 2006, 10:38 PM, said:

i'm confused .

which one of these two is more racist or are they just as bad as each other.or none of them or just one of them.

the white girl seemed a bit precious but the black guy seemed full of hate.

they're obviously both recist, i think the arrogance of the female is intolerable, i like many of the sentiments that the brother was mentioning about the women, strength and history, his speech was over shadowed by his own hate and feelings of inferiority.

[znood elsit]

also many thanks for the articles posted, may Allah swt reward you for educating us

[Mowlana Vector]

B) Znood elsit, you are most welcome, Sis.

[Mowlana Vector]

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Islam's Manifesto of Universal Brotherhood of Human Beings

From the Quran

"O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you" (Quran 49:13).

Explanation: There are several principles, which this verse presents:

This message is not just for Muslims only because God is addressing all of humanity. While Muslims are one brotherhood, this is part of a larger brotherhood of humanity.

God is telling us that He has created us. Therefore He knows the best about us.
He says that He created us from one man and one woman meaning then that we are all the same.

It also means that all human beings are created through the same process, not in a manner in which some are created with a better mechanism than others.
God is the One who made human beings into different groups and people.

These differences are not wrong, rather a sign from God ("And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colors. Verily, in that are indeed signs for those who know" [Quran 30:22]).
Note that no word equivalent to race is used in this ayah or any other verse of the Quran.

Islam, however, limits the purpose of these distinctions to differentiation and knowing each other. This is not meant to be a source of beating each other down with an attitude of ‘my group is better than your group' or false pride as is the case with tribalism, nationalism, colonialism, and racism.

The only source of preference or greatness among human beings is not on a national or group level, but it is at the individual level.

One individual who is (higher in Taqwa), more conscious of his Creator and is staying away from the bad and doing the good is better, no matter what nation, country or caste he is part of. Individual piety is the only thing that makes a person better and greater than the other one.

However, the only criterion of preference, Taqwa, is not measurable by human beings. Indeed God is the One Who knows and is aware of everything so we should leave even this criterion to God to decide instead of human beings judging each other.

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[Mowlana Vector]

Muslim Ugly Watch: It's Time to Face An Uncomfortable Truth, Muslims Can Be Racists Too

[Faruque Ahmed]

How to end racism? Reward this guy like beloved Israelis and let the Administrative Decisions Tribunal award John Singleton million bucks! So that Singo can terrorise Faruque for a long time.

Oh, please ignore the Police Report regarding the Cronulla riot ! 123 pages of them !! OK!!!


1. Usual Jim Ball lies
http://www.abc.net.a...ts/s1499516.htm

2. Muslim bashing based on totally false and engineered facts.
http://www.abc.net.a...ts/s1494636.htm

3. Collecting anti-Arab and anti-Muslim stories from corrupt and Zionist sources. Then doctor those items to make them worse and then broadcast and web them to incite against others.
http://www.abc.net.a...ts/s1430870.htm

[Mowlana Vector]

Racism: The Disease of the Ignorant

[Mowlana Vector]

Pro-Active Anti-Racism: The Way of the Prophet




Prejudice: Islamic Perspective

[Mowlana Vector]

The Disease of Pride and Arrogance

[*OhSoWhiSpeR___*]

Excellent article, Alhamduillah

we need to get rid of rascism.

[phoneyid]

I like this woman
'I Am a Nigger, and You Will Just Have To Put Up With My Blackness,'

[panther]

phoneyid, on Feb 2 2008, 07:30 PM, said:

I like this woman
'I Am a Nigger, and You Will Just Have To Put Up With My Blackness,'

What do you like about her?

[FlyinGenie]

man i hate that word.

[panther]

FlyinGenie, on Feb 3 2008, 09:36 AM, said:

man i hate that word.

Yeah i know what you mean Sis, I hate it to.

But I hate the conditions within the Umma that put her in a position like that worse.

[phoneyid]

panther, on Feb 3 2008, 12:50 AM, said:

What do you like about her?

I like that she confronts those who she believes deny the existance of racism in the wider community.
Although she is spesifically addressing, what she believes to be the lower status/prestige of 'Blacks' in the Muslim Community; I accept that her critisism can be fairly leveled at the wider of all Anglocentric cultures, and although I have no 1st hand experience, her critisism can be reasonably directed to the Mid-East.

I am a great lover of Malcolm X; and just as he did, I don't accept that racial injustice/inequity is an issue which we should have patience with as we wait for it's slow, gradual de-evolution. It's a problem against which we should stand hard and fast.

The Abrahamic faiths tell us that Ham was disrespectfull (with sexual conotatiion) to his father (Noah) and as a result, Hams offspring wer cursed to be Black and slaves to the offspring of Noah's other sons.
This section of the Holy Books has been used as a supporting case for rednecks, racists and slave traders.

Such slurs need to be 'removed from the pages of the book'.
Professor Amina Wadud is well justified in questioning the validity or even presence of some teachings in the 'Holy Books'.

[panther]

phoneyid, on Feb 3 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

The Abrahamic faiths tell us that Ham was disrespectfull (with sexual conotatiion) to his father (Noah) and as a result, Hams offspring wer cursed to be Black and slaves to the offspring of Noah's other sons.
This section of the Holy Books has been used as a supporting case for rednecks, racists and slave traders.

None of the holy books in their purity assert the Hamitic myth, though people from all three Abrahamic faiths have asserted it at one time or another.

Islam as the only uncorrupted Abrahamic faith does not support the Hamitic myth theologically.

The Hamitic myth as far as i know was first asserted in the Talmud.

[phoneyid]

panther, on Feb 3 2008, 12:15 PM, said:

None of the holy books in their purity assert the Hamitic myth, though people from all three Abrahamic faiths have asserted it at one time or another.

Islam as the only uncorrupted Abrahamic faith does not support the Hamitic myth theologically.

The Hamitic myth as far as i know was first asserted in the Talmud.

GENESIS
9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

[panther]

phoneyid, on Feb 3 2008, 01:10 PM, said:

GENESIS
9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Yeah but that's not the original version.

That's why i said "None of the holy books in their purity assert the Hamitic myth".

If we identify where this idea first came from, we go along way to identifying who has influenced who to believe a certain way.

Then we can start to ask, what would be their motivation?

[phoneyid]

You may debate "where it came from"; but there is no boubt as the 'where it is'.

If it's evil, pluck it out.

tell me; in which Semitic language are the names of the sons of Noah synonymous with 'Black' 'White' and 'Tan'.

[panther]

phoneyid, on Feb 3 2008, 02:08 PM, said:

You may debate "where it came from"; but there is no boubt as the 'where it is'.


If it's evil, pluck it out.

Finding out where it came from is part of the plucking out process.

It may be among some Muslims but it is not part of Islam.

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tell me; in which Semitic language are the names of the sons of Noah synonymous with 'Black' 'White' and 'Tan'.

I don't know, but it doesn't matter this is not a linguistic issue, it is a theological issue.

[phoneyid]

panther, on Feb 3 2008, 07:52 PM, said:

Finding out where it came from is part of the plucking out process.

It may be among some Muslims but it is not part of Islam.




I don't know, but it doesn't matter this is not a linguistic issue, it is a theological issue.

It is not simply a linguistic issue NOR is it a case of semantics.
The original names are derived from 'black' 'white' etc.
There is No Doubt to those who have studied the Abrahamic faiths in their 'purest form' in their original linguistic context, that Ham's kids are Black for his being a sexual deviant.

The Talmud (Mamonides?), as I understand, goes further and states that he was gived large googley eyes for looking and a large 'member' for raping him.
Sure it's not that 'overt' level of RACISM in the other faiths, but make no mistake, it's there.
Perhaps Islam 'tones it down' further.

[phoneyid]

2. Ham as a Nationality (30 Nations came out of Ham):
The name given, in Psalms 105:23,17; 106:22 (compare 78:51), to Egypt as a descendant of Ham, son of Noah. As Shem means "dusky," or the like, and Japheth "fair," it has been supposed that Ham meant, as is not improbable, "black." This is supported by the evidence of Hebrew and Arabic, in which the word chamam means "to be hot" and "to be black," the latter signification being derived from the former.

http://www.freemanin....com/RTGham.htm

[panther]

phoneyid, on Feb 3 2008, 10:03 PM, said:

It is not simply a linguistic issue NOR is it a case of semantics.
The original names are derived from 'black' 'white' etc.
There is No Doubt to those who have studied the Abrahamic faiths in their 'purest form' in their original linguistic context, that Ham's kids are Black for his being a sexual deviant.

Islam just does not "tone it down" (INTERESTING CHOICE OF Expression B) ) Islam rejects the idea completely.

I am not saying i disagree with what the name means, but Islam rejects the notion of "Black skin" being a result of Hams sexual deviance, as much as Islam rejects the notion that prophet Noah (peace be upon him) was drunk in the first place.

We believe that these ideas were introduced into the Torah at a later date and were not part of the original message.

[phoneyid]

panther, on Feb 4 2008, 10:06 AM, said:

Islam just does not "tone it down" (INTERESTING CHOICE OF Expression B) ) Islam rejects the idea completely.

I am not saying i disagree with what the name means, but Islam rejects the notion of "Black skin" being a result of Hams sexual deviance, as much as Islam rejects the notion that prophet Noah (peace be upon him) was drunk in the first place.

We believe that these ideas were introduced into the Torah at a later date and were not part of the original message.

Thanks for your patience with someone as 'confrontational' as me.
I promise to 'try to' learn more.
Chow for now.
ps. not a muslim

[panther]

phoneyid, on Feb 4 2008, 11:05 AM, said:

Thanks for your patience with someone as 'confrontational' as me.
I promise to 'try to' learn more.
Chow for now.
ps. not a muslim

That's cool, you seem like a good bloke

[phoneyid]

No Comment
http://video.google....d...h&plindex=3
The Judaic Role in the Black Slave Trade

[panther]

phoneyid, on Feb 4 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

No Comment
http://video.google....d...h&plindex=3
The Judaic Role in the Black Slave Trade

Yeah I've seen that, it is very informative, that why i said this

panther, on Feb 3 2008, 12:48 PM, said:

If we identify where this idea first came from, we go along way to identifying who has influenced who to believe a certain way.

Muslims that equate dark skin with slavery have to realize that this is a Talmudic idea that is conducive to the construction of the west as a Zionist world power support system.

[All in pre-flop]

I think encouraging inter-racial unions is a good way to end racism.

Imagine if an entire generation of people produced only mixed-race offspring?

[FlyinGenie]

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I think encouraging inter-racial unions is a good way to end racism.

Imagine if an entire generation of people produced only mixed-race offspring?

^ people keep suggesting this. as i keep saying, it doesn't always work. most of the mixed-race unions i've seen still have elements of racism in them from all parties (in-laws, the couple themselves, friends of the couple, etc.). hardly nice for the kids of those unions.

edit: i didn't quote all in pre-flop when i wrote this

[All in pre-flop]

Yes, but those people will die, and will take their racism with them.