Lebanese Moslem Association Options

[Dishdash]

Well?

[Aqidah_police]

i voted yes because the name sounds like its only for the lebs where its much biger then that.

[Outsider]

I vote yes- because i loath the fact the word "lebanese" is in there.

#1 We are Australians!
#2 It is not just people of lebanese background that contribute to this association.

For example- the youth center they're building next to the mosque, there used to be a huge sign infront of it reading "Lebanese Muslim Association", and I would cring knowing that Muslims of all different background have financially contributed!

To the person who voted 'No'- I would really like to hear your reasons as to why you believe the title should stay.

This post has been edited by Outsider: Nov 20 2006, 01:00 AM

[pepe]

voted yes, becoz were muslim not moslem

[Shai*]

To the person who voted 'No'- I would really like to hear your reasons as to why you believe the title should stay.
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I accidentally pressed No too. I didnt mean to though! Im voting (or meant to vote) yes!

[Umm Ahmed]

I guess it really depends if the LMA is willing to accept membership from non-Lebanese Muslims? (not sure how they work which is why I'm saying that).

If all the members are Lebanese and someone wasn't and they wanted to be part of the executive committee, would Lebanese Muslims be happy with that?

[Sam]

I voted no because what they do and who they wish to represent is up to them.

[JStevens1044]

Agreed that the LMA should change their name. As I am from a non-Lebanese background, I sometimes feel that the mosque is only out to help people of Lebanese background.

This also creates tension with muslims from other ethic groups, such as the Turkish muslims, since they then create their own muslim associations and we end up having several muslim groups split by ethicity.

The Turkish muslims in Auburn always give me a weird look when I enter the mosque there, since I'm not Turkish. By the way, who came up with the name Gallipoli Mosque (it's kind of sucks)?

[Jaaved]

I agree with Sam.

[Abdul Rahman]

The Turkish muslims in Auburn always give me a weird look when I enter the mosque there, since I'm not Turkish.

You are probably being over sensitive. I never feel like that there. The vast amount of space can be un-nerving to walk through to get to the front row, but that is me being an emo, not them staring at me for being a whitey.

By the way, who came up with the name Gallipoli Mosque (it's kind of sucks)?
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I disagree. I think it is a fantastic name.

This post has been edited by Abdul Rahman: Nov 20 2006, 10:42 AM

[Mercurial]

They should be the Australian Muslim Association.

Lakemba will hinder them in terms of grants acquisition as the name implies a limited scope.

[Umm Ahmed]

No I think the name for the Gallipoli Mosque is quite appropriate given the history of Anzac...

[Jaaved]

look there's nothing wrong with forming organisations that cater for Aussie Muslamics from certain backgrounds... but even then, it shouldn't block out people who aren't from a particular background.

Meh I dunno. It's too early in the day to be thinking.

[Shug]

I want to change mine from a Yes to No as I agree with Mercurial that it should be Australian Muslim Association or something similar. It shouldn't be just for Lebanese ot Lakemba since they say they represent all of Australian Muslims.

[Hanan Oum Medina]

It casn't be the Aust Muslim Ass if they only allow Lebs onto the board!

I voted no, I don't like Leb Mulims Assoc either but if you change theirs to anything else <considering they formed originally to represent the Lebanese people> then you would have to put pressure on the Malays, the Indos, the Turks etc to neutralise their titles as well. they all suffer from the same thing, but heck! it would be too much to ask if they all combined forces and THEN called themselves the Australian Muslim Association.

*sigh*

Wasalaam
Hanan

[JStevens1044]

It casn't be the Aust Muslim Ass if they only allow Lebs onto the board!

I voted no, I don't like Leb Mulims Assoc either but if you change theirs to anything else <considering they formed originally to represent the Lebanese people> then you would have to put pressure on the Malays, the Indos, the Turks etc to neutralise their titles as well. they all suffer from the same thing, but heck! it would be too much to ask if they all combined forces and THEN called themselves the Australian Muslim Association.

*sigh*

Wasalaam
Hanan
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why would it be too much for all muslim associations in Australia combining themselves into one Australian association?

it just doesn't make sense to have muslim groups split by ethnicity. We should all look to the days of the Prophet Mohammed (SAW) as an example, who united the Meccan muslims with the people of Medinah - they were too entirely different cultures, yet they were united in religion.

[Umm Ahmed]

It casn't be the Aust Muslim Ass if they only allow Lebs onto the board!

I voted no, I don't like Leb Mulims Assoc either but if you change theirs to anything else <considering they formed originally to represent the Lebanese people> then you would have to put pressure on the Malays, the Indos, the Turks etc to neutralise their titles as well. they all suffer from the same thing, but heck! it would be too much to ask if they all combined forces and THEN called themselves the Australian Muslim Association.

*sigh*

Wasalaam
Hanan
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Yep that's my point exactly. But the difference is, is that when people in the media start wanting contacts they head to Lakemba mosque not to Rooty Hill or Belmore mosque.

[Mercurial]

It casn't be the Aust Muslim Ass if they only allow Lebs onto the board!

I voted no, I don't like Leb Mulims Assoc either but if you change theirs to anything else <considering they formed originally to represent the Lebanese people> then you would have to put pressure on the Malays, the Indos, the Turks etc to neutralise their titles as well. they all suffer from the same thing, but heck! it would be too much to ask if they all combined forces and THEN called themselves the Australian Muslim Association.

*sigh*

Wasalaam
Hanan
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Yeah but if they changed their name, they would have to change their entire constitution as well. People will be expecting a revolution

That's the clincher right there.

Once you change your name, you can't be Leb-centric. Everything else will have to change to fit the name, including the board.

[Mercurial]

I found it particularly amusing watching the spokespeople from the association tell the media (during the Cronulla Riots period) that they do not want to be labelled as a community, when they're the ones leading the way with the labelling.

When you have someone from the *Lebanese* Moslems (sic) Association telling the media they do not want to be labelled as Lebanese but rather Australians...it definitely raised a smile from me.

[Shug]

why would it be too much for all muslim associations in Australia combining themselves into one Australian association?

Isn't it obvious everyone has their own agenda.

it just doesn't make sense to have muslim groups split by ethnicity. We should all look to the days of the Prophet Mohammed (SAW) as an example, who united the Meccan muslims with the people of Medinah - they were too entirely different cultures, yet they were united in religion.
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Yes that's true but until everyone can get past their own agenda's and really focus on the religion instead, it ain't happening.

[JStevens1044]

Isn't it obvious everyone has their own agenda.
Yes that's true but until everyone can get past their own agenda's and really focus on the religion instead, it ain't happening.
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So what your saying is the solution is everyone needs to put the religion first, rather than other factors, such as ethnic background?

That should be simple enough, I mean as muslims, religion comes first before anything else. We all know that, so I'm quite confused when you say everyone has their own agenda.

[Umm Ahmed]

Actually if you think of the title DD has said, he does say Lakemba Muslim Association - so the association would be representative of any and all muslims, regardless of ethnicity, but in Lakemba only.

[JStevens1044]

Actually if you think of the title DD has said, he does say Lakemba Muslim Association - so the association would be representative of any and all muslims, regardless of ethnicity, but in Lakemba only.
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you really are splitting hairs, what was meant by Lakemba Muslim Association is because the largest mosque we have in Australia is in Lakemba. But I reckon it should be called the Australian Muslim Association instead.

LMA actually serves alot of muslims that live outside of the Lakemba area. I mean there are alot of muslims in Bankstown and Canterbury that use the Lakemba mosque.

[Shug]

So what your saying is the solution is everyone needs to put the religion first, rather than other factors, such as ethnic background?

That should be simple enough, I mean as muslims, religion comes first before anything else. We all know that, so I'm quite confused when you say everyone has their own agenda.
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If it was really that simple then why are people fighting all the time? Didn't you watch the Sunday program, if yo didn't then watch it online and you'll know why it's not happening.

[JStevens1044]

If it was really that simple then why are people fighting all the time? Didn't you watch the Sunday program, if yo didn't then watch it online and you'll know why it's not happening.
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No, I didn't watch the Sunday program, but i think it's wrong to say people fight therefore unity in the Islamic community is never going to happen so why bother. If everyone thought that way, then nothing will happen.

But if everyone took a stance that religion should come first before anything else, then Islamic unity is an attainable goal.

To begin with everyone needs to toss aside their so-called agendas, since they are of no benefit to the Islamic community, to their ethnicity or to themselves (i think anyone that encourages that the muslim community be split up will have to answer for it on the Day of Judgement).

[Niche]

I think theres double standards by those who want the change.

First they don't want to be represented by them, yet they want them to change their name.

Oh and NOT letting non-lebs join was a thing of the past, thats not the case now.

I don't think AMA is any good as it implies they represent all of us, which clearly has been shown time and time again, muslims across australia resent.

Let them be

This post has been edited by Niche: Nov 20 2006, 11:47 AM

[Hayaa]

They should be the Australian Muslim Association.
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Agree.

[Ghaith]

I think theres double standards by those who want the change.

First they don't want to be represented by them, yet they want them to change their name.

Oh and NOT letting non-lebs join was a thing of the past, thats not the case now.

I don't think AMA is any good as it implies they represent all of us, which clearly has been shown time and time again, muslims across australia resent.

Let them be
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Since when akhi? I'm not aware of any changes to the constitution that would allow non-lebanese to become members.

Wasalam
Ghaith

[Jaaved]

I think some of you who want them to change their name to the AMA have missed the point!

[Niche]

Are you thinking non-arabs instead of non-lebs Gaith? because there are a couple of palestinians.

I thought there were a couple of non-arabs in there as well.