[Mowlana Vector]

Back to our cool Mowlana ...

You are the pump of my pulse, so the good or bad I do is due to you. Now my eyesight's going, which is also your fault, since you'r the lightpoints in my eyes!
Jalaluddin Rumi in Breathing Truth( 1997)

[Faithful2Allah]

[Suelaima]

Faithful2Allah, on Jan 28 2005, 03:58 PM, said:

umm did i miss the joke?

[Mowlana Vector]

Who Is At My Door?

He said, "Who is at my door?"
I said, "Your humble servant."
He said, "What business do you have?"
I said, "To greet you, 0 Lord."

He said, "How long will you journey on?"
I said, "Until you stop me."
He said, "How long will you boil in the fire?"
I said, "Until I am pure.

"This is my oath of love.
For the sake of love
I gave up wealth and position."

He said, "You have pleaded your case
but you have no witness."
I said, "My tears are my witness;
the pallor of my face is my proof.'
He said, "Your witness has no credibility;
your eyes are too wet to see."
I said, "By the splendor of your justice
my eyes are clear and faultless."

He said, "What do you seek?"
I said, "To have you as my constant friend."
He said, "What do you want from me?"
I said, "Your abundant grace."

He said, "Who was your companion on the 'ourney?
I said, "The thought of you, 0 King."
He said, "What called you here?"
I said, "The fragrance of your wine."

He said, "What brings you the most fulfillment?"
I said, "The company of the Emperor."
He said, "What do you find there?"
I said, "A hundred miracles."
He said, "Why is the palace deserted?"
I said, "They all fear the thief."
He said, "Who is the thief?"
I said, "The one who keeps me from -you.

He said, "Where is there safety?"
I said, "In service and renunciation."
He said, "What is there to renounce?"
I said, "The hope of salvation."

He said, "Where is there calamity?"
I said, "In the presence of your love."
He said, "How do you benefit from this life?"
I said, "By keeping true to myself

Now it is time for silence.
If I told you about His true essence
You would fly from your self and be gone,
and neither door nor roof could hold you back!

Rumi - In the Arms of the Beloved, Jonathan Star
Jeremy P. Tarcher/Putnam (New York: 1997)
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[Moby]

Sheikh Google: that was a very nice read.

Siham - is that AK

[Siham]

Moby, on Feb 19 2005, 12:30 PM, said:

Siham - is that AK

Yeah isn’t IT inspiring indeed I can definitely relate to this one

This post has been edited by Siham: 19 February 2005 - 04:25 PM

[Moby]

Quote

isn’t inspiring indeed

I think you mean "isnt it inspiring indeed?".

[Moby]

Sodapop would be proud.

[Siham]

Moby, on Feb 19 2005, 04:32 PM, said:

Sodapop would be proud.

Hhhhmmm Do you mean soda pop?

[Moby]

nope. I mean sodapop.

[Siham]

I suggest you check again my dear

This post has been edited by Siham: 20 February 2005 - 06:07 AM

[Moby]

nah mate, ive checked. its sodapop. duh.

[souLja]

what has that got to do with anything?

[Moby]

Not too sure exactly...

[sodapop]

souLja, on Feb 20 2005, 10:32 AM, said:

what has that got to do with anything? 

I was wondering the same thing.

[Life]

Lets just ignore it and move on . . .


B)

[Life]

Love is the beauty of the soul.

B)

[WarriorEtte]

Lol...

Back to the Cool Mowlana Please..

B)

[Mowlana Vector]

souLja, on Feb 20 2005, 10:32 AM, said:

what has that got to do with anything? 



Bro, some ppl are just so (cyber) budtamese ...



Life, on Feb 20 2005, 11:30 AM, said:

...
Lets just ignore it and move on . . .
...



Exactly

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Mevlana Rumi and Love



"Do not ask me about this world
and the next world, both are lost
in the world of love that I am in."
(Rumi, Shams Book, Gazal 1759)

Comment: He implies that beyond our thoughts about this life and after death, another dimension exists which can be achieved only by putting our hearts into it.


Mevlana, who considered every kind of perfection in love only, write all his works on love. For, love i the basis and essence of life. The reason for the creation of the universe is love. Furthermore, God's saying, 'If you were not, I wouldn't hae created those skies" indicates that the sole purpose of creating the universe is God's love for the Prophet Muhammed . Since the origin of the creating is love. Love of God, which is the highest points of life, is the most precious thing. Starting from the point , Mevlana renounced this divine love in thousands of verses. It is possible to classify his thoughts on love under four hedings: comparison between intellect and love/ ascendancy and value of love which is for mortal beings; and finally, the pitiable situation of those who have not a share in love.

In sufi thought, intellect and science are incompetent in comprehending metaphysical realities. They may lead a man to a certain point, but not to the target. However, if a man has wings of love , he becomes lofty in a way that he can never imagine. Just as was the case in the night journey (Miraj/ in wich the prophet Muhammed is related t have ascended from Jerusalem to Heaven, after having been conveyed to the former from Mecca upon the beast named buraq)... In that holy night , while the Prophet and Gabriel were ascending through the levels of ky , Gabriel stopped suddenly when they arrived in Sidrat al Munteha (the lote-tree in seventh Heaven, beyond which neither angel nor prophet passes , and which shades the water and Paradise) and said , ' I will burn up if I go a step further' . But the Prophet Muhammed passed the sidrah and came closer to God; now he was at a point of " aw adna" (The Qur'an , 53/9), which is the last point of being closer to God. Sidrat al Munteha is the last point where angels and prophets could go . In another words, it is the places where everything ends except the Divine Order (Amr-i Ilahi) . So, Sufis consider Gabriel as the symbol of human conception, science and intellect , and the Prophet Muhammed as the pattern of heart and love that transcends the restricted limits of science and intellect.

He points this as follows:

" When a man's understanding has been his tacher, after this the undersaning becomes his pupil.

The understanding says, like Gabriel, 'O Ahmad (Muhammed), if I take one (more) step , it will burn me; Leave me, henceforth advance (alone): this is my limit, O Sultan of soul ! " (Mesnevi , I / 1112-14)

Hence, Mevlana considered love as a state of whih every sufi must have experience. He is of the opinion that the heart that is drowned in God , the Beloved One, with love is precious and preferable. (Mesnevi,I/1853). Man , like Gabriel, canot reach God with his intellect , anstops on the half way. If we consider the distance between God and man as a sea , then intellect is a swimmer in that sea , and love is a ship. Swimming is a pleasant thing , but not enough for a voyage. The swimmer might get tired and be drowned at the end , but he who boards the ship reaches his goal.(Mesnevi IV/1423-27) .

On the other hand , it is a very tiring work to rach God with the renunciation of the world (zuhd) and devoutness (taqva) only. Perhaps, one man is many way achieve this. Thus , this is stated in the following prophetic saying : "Abu Bar (the second caliph after the Prophet Muhammed ) was not considered as superior over the other people because of his fasting and voluntary contribution of his almsgiving only . On the contrary , he was honoured by his strong belief (iman) in his heart." As was stated in this prophetic saying , Abu Bakr is superior to others not only for this prayers, fasting and almsgiving are being put in the scale , it out weighs everything. Hence the essential thing is love. (Fihi Mafih, 325-326)

As a matter of fact , the nature of this love cannot be explained by words, and squeezed between lines. Those who taste it can only appreciate its value:

Someone asked, " What is love?". I answered , " you will know when you become (lost in) me!" (Mecalis-i Saba, 82)

Mevlana's saying "You will kow when you become (lost in ) me!" states that the final stage of reaching God, that is , 'to know, find, become (God)' is only realized by love . Science and intellect may lead to the stage of knowing only. Again Mesnevi says :

"Whatever I say in exposition and explanation of Love, when I come to Love (itself) I am ashamed of that (explanation).

Whilst the pen was making haste in writing , it split upon itself as soon as it came to Love.

In expounding it (Love), the intellect lay down (helplessly) like an ass in the mud; it was Love (alone) that uttered the explanation of love and loverhood.

The proof of the sun is the sun (himself); if require the proof , do not avert your face from him." (Mesnevi, I/ 112-116)

In the above lines , it is understood that love cannot be described by words, and it is stressed once again that intellect is helpless.

Mevlana stated in Mesnevi that he whose garment was rent by a mighty love was purged of covetousness nd all defect: and love was the physician of all our is and the remedy of our pide and vainglory; an also the earthly body soared the skies through love. By so saying , he clearly indicates that man was cleared off pride, worldly desire , envy, grudge, and many other eil habits through Divine Love only. If those who knew the spiritual world were in the majority in a society, all worldly worries and defects would be removed . On the other hand , Mevlana advisd that just as a man learned a trade to earn a livelihood for the body , we should learn trade to ear the Hereafter, that is , God's forgiveness, again, the earnings of religion were love. (Mesnevi, II/2592-2603)

As Yunus Emre, one of the most famous sufis in Anatolia- said , "The sect of love is a religion to me," Mevlana, too, said:

"Our Prophet 's way is Love, We are the sons of Love, our mother is Love"

So Mevlana indicates that the essence of the four orthodox sects (namely , The Hanafism, Shafism, Hanbalism, Malikism) is love. What we understood from this is that those who follow the rituals of the religion only are the ones who are not aware of its essence , and busy with the husk. In fact , man must include love in his prayers , and worship God with great sincerity and intimacy.

Mevlana calls the love of God the only real love:

those loves which are for the sake of a colour (outward beauty) are not love: in the end they are a disgrace." Mesnevi , I/214)

" Because the love of the dead is not enduring, because the dead one never comes (back) to us.

(But) love of thliving is every moment fresher than a bud in the sprit and in the wine that increases ife.

Choose the love of Him from whose love all the prophets gained power and glory.

Do not say , "We have no admission to that King." Dealings wiyh the generous are not difficult." (Mesnevi,I/226-230)

"The lover of the whole are not those who love the part: he that longed for the part failed to attain unto the whole"(Mesnevi, I/2903). With the latter verse, Mevlana indicates that the lovers of God do not value anything but God , and that those direct their love to the worldly things are deprived of God's love. However , sometimes there might be expection of this . If a man is decisive, sincere and in his love for the mortal, then this metaphorical love might lead himto the true love.

"If the lover of that (false) conception be sincere, that metaphor (unreal judgement) will lead him to the reality."(Mesnevi,I/2861)

There is similar example of this in the Islamic literatures. Mejnun set out for his love of Laila, but he finally reached the love of God.

But if a man has no share of love, whether it be metaphorical or true, Mevlana reprimands him severely:

"Since you do not fall in love, go and weave...

You have a lot to do, and your body and face have hundreds of different colours.

Since there is no wine of love in your skull.

Go, and lick the dishes of rich people in the kitchen..."
(Rubais,126)

"When love has no care for him, he is left as a bird without wings. Alas for him then!" Mesnevi, I/31)

Mevlana, who found out that the essence of creation and man's exaltation of his worldly body was in love alone, never considered a loveless life as a real life:

"Luck becomes your sweetheart , if it becomes helpful.

Love helps you in your daily routines ,

Consider not the loveless life as life.

For , it will be out of consideration."
(Mecalis-i Sab'a,43)

Source

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[Siham]

This is my prayer

You're ruling the way that I move
And I breathe your air
You only can rescue me
This is my prayer

I cherish the day
I won't go astray
I won't be afraid

You won't catch me running
You're ruling the way that I move
You take my air

This is my prayer
You show me how deep love can be

You're ruling the way that I move
And I breathe your air
You only can rescue me
This is my prayer

I cherish the day
I won't go astray
I won't be afraid

You won't catch me running
This is my prayer

I cherish the day
I won't go astray
I won't be afraid
Won't run away

This is my prayer
You show me how deep love can be

I cherish the day
I won't go astray
I won't be afraid
Won't run away

This is my prayer

[WarriorEtte]

Siham, on Feb 21 2005, 06:27 AM, said:

This is my prayer

You're ruling the way that I move
And I breathe your air
You only can rescue me
This is my prayer

I cherish the day
I won't go astray
I won't be afraid

You won't catch me running
You're ruling the way that I move
You take my air

This is my prayer
You show me how deep love can be

You're ruling the way that I move
And I breathe your air
You only can rescue me
This is my prayer

I cherish the day
I won't go astray
I won't be afraid

You won't catch me running
This is my prayer

I cherish the day
I won't go astray
I won't be afraid
Won't run away

This is my prayer
You show me how deep love can be

I cherish the day
I won't go astray
I won't be afraid
Won't run away

This is my prayer

Salamualykum'

hey sis who is this poem by?

I dnt think you have noticed this is a thread about Rumi's Legacy and Poetry.

But thats aight, Your welcome to post what ever you like B)

Just thought if all of Rumi's poems where on the one thread would be easier to find later.

Walaykumusalam

[Siham]

Warriorette, on Feb 21 2005, 08:53 AM, said:

Salamualykum'

hey sis who is this poem by?

I dnt think you have noticed this is a thread about Rumi's Legacy and Poetry.

But thats aight,  Your welcome to post what ever you like  B)

Just thought if all of Rumi's poems where on the one thread would be easier to find later. 

Walaykumusalam

It’s a lyric sis, I find it very inspiring and the words are meaningful Masha'Allah

[Mowlana Vector]

Okay, back to Rumi ...



Quote

Reason is powerless in the expression of Love. Love alone is capable of revealing the truth of Love and being a Lover. The way of our prophets is the way of Truth. If you want to live, die in Love; die in Love if you want to remain alive.
 
Sources: Breathing Truth Quotations from Jalaluddin Rumi,  Muriel Maufroy, ( 1997)

[Mowlana Vector]

Love is the flame which, when it blazes,

consumes everything other than the Beloved.

The lover wields the sword of Nothingness

in order to dispatch all but God:

consider what remains after Nothing.

There remains but God: all the rest is gone.

Praise to you, O mighty Love, destroyer of all other "gods."

Mathnawi [V, 588-590]
(From Jewels of Remembrance, by Rumi, selected and translated by Camille and Kabir Helminski, © 1996.)

[Mowlana Vector]

Whispers of Love

Lover whispers to my ear,
"Better to be a prey than a hunter.
Make yourself My fool.
Stop trying to be the sun and become a speck!
Dwell at My door and be homeless.
Don't pretend to be a candle, be a moth,
so you may taste the savor of Life
and know the power hidden in serving."

Mathnawi V. 411-414, ("The Rumi Collection", Edited and translated by Kabir Helminski)

[Mowlana Vector]

You are happy, happy, but I am a thousand times happier!
Whom have I encountered in my dream last night? I know not.
I am so happy, I cannot be contained in the world;
But like a spirit, I am hidden from the eyes of the world.
If the foot of the trees were not tied to earth, they would be pursuing me;
For I have blossomed so much, I am the envy of the gardens.
(Divan 1740:1-3)

Translated by Fatemeh Keshavarz, "Reading Mystical Lyric: The Case of Jalal al-Din Rumi" (University of South Carolina Press, 1998)

[Mowlana Vector]

BUOYANCY

An Excerpt

Love has taken away my practices
and filled me with poetry.

I tried to keep quietly repeating,
No strength but yours,
but I couldn't.

I had to clap and sing.
I used to be respectable and chaste and stable,
But who can stand in this strong wind
and remember those things?

And mountain keeps an echo deep inside itself.
That's how I hold your voice.

I am scrap wood thrown in your fire,
and quickly reduced to smoke.

I saw you and became empty.
This emptiness, more beautiful than existence,
it obliterates existence, and yet when it comes,
existence thrives and creates more existence!

The sky is blue. The world is a blind man
squatting on the road.

But whoever sees your emptiness
sees beyond blue and beyond the blind man.

A great soul hides like Muhammad, or Jesus,
moving through a crowd in a city
where no one knows him.

To praise is to praise
how one surrenders
to the emptiness.

To praise the sun is to praise your own eyes.
Praise, the ocean. What we say, a little ship.

So the sea-journey goes on, and who knows where!
Just to be held by the ocean is the best luck
we could have. It's a total waking up!

Why should we grieve that we've been sleeping?
It doesn't matter how long we've been unconscious.

We're groggy, but let the guilt go.
Feel the motions of tenderness
around you, the buoyancy.

(Source: The Essential Rumi , Translated By Coleman Barks )

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[Moby]

Thanks for this, All of you esp. Warriorette and Mowlana Vector;

these poems are such a pleasant read. Thanks. You guys rock.

[WarriorEtte]

Moby, on Mar 9 2005, 08:20 PM, said:

Thanks for this, All of you esp. Warriorette and Mowlana Vector;

these poems are such a pleasant read. Thanks. You guys rock.

Most Welcome Sis.

[LoverofAllah]

Our patience will achieve more than our force, however, patience has its limits. It is the companion of wisdom. Though, take it too far, and it's cowardice. Patience can be bitter and sweet, pleasure and pain....but one word frees us of all the weight and pain of life: That word is love.

Why must I be the one to chase? And why the need for haste? Time is the problem. But love makes time pass, does it not? Time also makes love pass…