[JJJ]

just a quick question, who is sheikh haron??
i've never heard of him before, where is he based & what's his qualifications?
is he sunni?

http://www.sheikhharon.com/index.html

[Nays]

hmm very mysterious. Just read that article on smh.com that mentions him and had a look through his website. Looks like he's hidden his indentity on purpose. Can't tell much about him, wait till he posts some more answers in the q&a part of his site and maybe we'll be able to tell if his Sunni or not.

[Omar_R]

Nays, on Dec 5 2007, 02:47 PM, said:

hmm very mysterious.  Just read that article on smh.com that mentions him and had a look through his website. Looks like he's hidden his indentity on purpose. Can't tell much about him, wait till he posts some more answers in the q&a part of his site and maybe we'll be able to tell if his Sunni or not.

Looks bogus.. here is the domain registration info.
Note only general and untrackable information
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Name Sheikh Haron
Address New South Wales
Address Sydney
Address 2000
Address NSW
Address AUSTRALIA

Domain
Name sheikhharon.com
CreatedDate 2007-08-30
UpdatedDate 2007-08-30
ExpiresDate 2009-08-30
NameServer dns3.com.au
NameServer dns4.com.au
Status ok


AdminContact
Name Sheikh Haron
Address New South Wales
Address Sydney
Address 2000
Address NSW
Address AUSTRALIA
Email domainnamewebsite@yahoo.com
Phone 0

TechContact
Name Sheikh Haron
Address New South Wales
Address Sydney
Address 2000
Address NSW
Address AUSTRALIA
Email domainnamewebsite@yahoo.com
Phone 0
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Im sure if the cops asked, someone from MelbourneIT can trace back the credit card used to pay for the Domain name and it will lead to the correct identity

[JJJ]

news article about sheikh haron - re. letter issued to family of Australian solider killed in Afghanistan.

if this sheikh is going to publicly issue letters to non-muslims and act as a representative of the Islamic community - then the very least he could do is provide some details about himself.

i personally have never heard of him - anyone else of this forum heard of him??

Quote

Your son 'died for nothing'
By Mark Schliebs
December 05, 2007 02:58pm
http://www.news.com..../stor...5001021,00.html

A MAN purporting to be a Muslim cleric wrote to the father of slain Australian soldier Luke Worsley telling him he "can't be proud" of his son who "died for nothing" - then posted the letter online.

John Worsley, father of 26-year-old commando Private Luke Worsley who was killed by the Taliban in Afghanistan last month, received the letter from Sheikh Haron just days after news broke of his son's death.

"We were hurt (by the letter)," Mr Worsley told NEWS.com.au.

"We're very proud of our boy."

The letter, topped with Mr Worsley's home address, has been posted on the internet by the mystery Sheikh.

"Dear Mr Worsley," the letter reads. "It is painful but we should be proud when we loose (sic) our dear kids for defending our country while we are unjustly attacked by another country.

"But it is more painful and we can't be proud when we loose (sic) our kids for nothing!

"We loose (sic) our dear kids for nothing if we unjustly attack to (sic) another country and our kids are killed while the other country is defending itself.

Pte Worsley was farewelled at a funeral in Sydney yesterday.

The letter said "it would be nice" if Mr Worsley asked the Department of Defence to organise a ceremony "for the respect of innocent civilians, whether they have been killed by Australians or not".

"It was nice of Chief of (the) Defence Force Air Chief Angus Houston that (sic) has extended his sympathies to your family but I don't know why he has not had any comment for the family of three innocents who were killed in that operation."

Pte Worsley was killed during a fire-fight against the Taliban on November 23. He was part of an operation against insurgent bomb-makers in the dangerous Oruzgan Province.

At his funeral yesterday, Pte Worsley was described as a hero who saved many lives and was an inspiration to his comrades.

"Luke was the first man of the team through the door and was met by enemy forces who opened fire at close range, resulting in Luke being killed almost instantly," Lieutenant Colonel Mark Smethurst said.

"Luke's actions upon entering the room, warning of the enemy threat, almost certainly saved the lives of other members of his team."

Pte Worsley was the third member of the Australian Defence Forces killed in Afghanistan in the past two months, following the deaths of SAS Trooper David Pearce and Sergeant Matthew Locke in October.

In 2003, SAS trooper Sergeant Andrew Russell died when his vehicle hit a landmine.

[Nays]

He doesn't have a last name neither! lol
We can't jump to any conclusions yet, as we don't know why it could be hard to get details on him, he could be staying anonymous for protection just incase the media turns on him, or maybe someone who isn't even a sheikh, maybe not Muslim. But who knows maybe he is..the site seemed okay from what i read and some of the letters etc, I didn't see anything which I believe is wrong or gives a false image about Muslims, yet.

[Mademoiselle]

sounds dangerously fishy!

This post has been edited by Mademoiselle: 05 December 2007 - 07:11 PM

[Jimmy]

Is this Sheikh Haron a real sheikh? a real person?

[Legally Insane]

lol, the libs are at it again. Or maybe its those bogus news ltd journalists.

[Omar_R]

How dum is news.com.au... they are asking "do you know Shiekh Haron" when obviously its a fake stunt... you would think they would investigate for themselves and not be lazy in the public interest.. but i guess they will keep it up on the front page even just to get more publicity out of it
should i expect anything less from news limited?

[JJJ]

bump - so no-one knows who this guy is??

This post has been edited by JJJ: 06 December 2007 - 03:05 PM

[Bastiat]

JJJ, on Dec 6 2007, 03:04 PM, said:

bump - so no-one knows who this guy is??

He used to post here (but was banned as I recall)

[red_tiger]

His the President of the Islamic Australia Federation. Derrr.

[Aqeel.Shabazz]

red_tiger, on Dec 6 2007, 05:39 PM, said:

His the President of the Islamic Australia Federation. Derrr.

lol the same fake organisation that the the libs made in their pamphlets..

nah seriously.. his website looks incredibly dodgy.. its possible that there are people just trying to make muslims look bad by doing this.

[Aqeel.Shabazz]

http://austrolabe.co...e-sheikh-haron/

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The fake Sheikh “Haron”December 6th, 2007 | Baybers | Uncategorized

There is nothing more precious than one’s children; for a parent to lose a child must cause pain beyond imagining. It must therefore have been extremely distressing for the parents of Private Luke Worsely to receive a letter purporting to be from an Islamic leader, “Sheikh Haron”, taunting them on the day they buried their son. A copy of the same letter was sent to News Limited, extracts of which they published online.

It remains to be asked: who is “Sheikh Haron”? To begin with, the sheikh would be more convincing (as a Muslim) if he could spell his own name correctly. “Haron” is how I would imagine an imbecile not conversant with Muslim names would spell “Harun’ or Haroon”, the Arabic equivalent of the Hebrew “Aaron“. It resembles the comical fraud perpetrated by Liberal Party goon squad in the seat of Lindsay. How could one forget the “ALA AKBA” which resembled Alo Alo, more than Allah Hu Akbar.

The mystery of the fake sheikh is further clarified by a visit to his webpage. For a religious Muslim, it is clear that Sheikh Haron is fraudulent.


1. He does not begin with “In the name of Allah, the most beneficent, the most merciful….” It would be impossible for a religious scholar to fail to do so.

2. The fatwa section is the real giveaway. Firstly, the questions that are posed: they’re strange questions to ask a scholar. Muslims never ask scholars about who to vote for (that’s what anti-Muslim bigots imagine we do).

3. But his responses are the most bizarre. A religious scholar gives a fatwa, or religious opinion, the same way a QC gives a legal opinion: in a highly ordered and codified manner, quoting verses from the Qur’an and Hadith, and offering religious consensus before finally coming to the scholar’s own opinion. The author, however, is not conversant with Islam and therefore cannot do so, and so merely has written a short response from an opinion that he believes reflects Islamic doctrine.

4. Sheikh “Haron” has no surname, no telephone number, no address, and nobody in the Muslim community knows him. The author has designed this to be an opaque identity.

5. The media release section contain the letters the author has sent to various officials. However, the responses that the author has allegedly received from public figures are not on letterheads, nor have they been signed, nor indeed is there room in the letter template for a signature. They are clearly forgeries generated by the author of the site.

6. His “fatwas” are all, without exception, completely wrong — and wrong in the most infantile manner. For example:

“The people who say that Jesus (peace be upon him) is “God” or “son of God” or they call God “Father” are Mushriks, not Christians. We are not allowed to call them “Christian”.”

This is incorrect. The Qur’an defines Christians as those people of the Book who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

7. He appears to believe he is being followed and monitored where ever he goes. He also seems to subscribe to a weird crackpot theory that the Australian government are hacking Google to give Muslims a bad name. Neither instill much confidence.

8. Religious scholars don’t normally spam government departments with strange requests and allegations.

The author of the Sheikh Haron site is obviously not a religious scholar, and has designed it to perpetrate a fraud and cast a cloud over the Muslim community. He has intruded, in a most obscene manner, into the private grief of parents who have lost their son, and he has embarrassed the gullible editors of the New Limited website.

[tejay]

http://www.sheikhharon.com/about%20us.pdf

[Nays]

http://www.abc.net.a...2001/240626.htm

[Cat]

[MOD: deleted]

[Nays]

We can't be 100% sure what the truth is, but so far till now, I personally haven't seen anything said by him which is not true. Apparently he is Shiia, but from his website and his articles etc, there hasn't been anything sectarian. I'm only assuming that the biography above is true and that he is a real person, but like i said, we can't be 100% sure yet.

[Mowlana Vector]

"Sheikh Haron" Vs News.com.au, The Daily Telegraph, The Australian, The Aust II

[Sabar]

Looks like the message of Sheikh Haron to Aussies on Australia day and his letter to David Hicks has made the government very angry. As a result again today the Australian has attacked:

http://www.theaustra...story...5013404,00.html

[Brightlight]

Hi,
If you go to www.sheikhharon.com/media.html and click on where it says about us, it will tell you all about him. Where he is from & what he stands for. He has actually changed his name he was Ayatollah Manteghi Bouroujerdi. So I think this is why many people don't know him. Sorry I don't know how to post it as a link. Some tips would be appreciated.

[Nays]

But read the article which sabar linked to "
http://www.theaustra...om.au/story...4,00.html"

They take the info on his website into consideration, but they don't know who 'Ayatollah Manteghi Bouroujerdi.' is, the shia council in Australia hasn't heard of him.

[Sabar]

Nays, on Jan 28 2008, 02:40 PM, said:

But read the article which sabar linked to "
http://www.theaustra...om.au/story...4,00.html"

They take the info on his website into consideration, but they don't know who 'Ayatollah Manteghi Bouroujerdi.' is, the shia council in Australia hasn't heard of him.

Nays your posts about Sheikh Haron have been fair without accusing a Muslim or without being under influence of Media and others. I should learn from you the Islamic Ethics.
In regards with your last post I want to tell you something: If you read all site you can't find anything to indicate he is Shia. He has even asked a Shia to mention Muslim instead of Shia. Sheikh probably has been a Shia before, or has studied in Shia madrasah, but he is not saying on the site he is Shia. The Media deliberately wants to intriduce him as a Shia cleric. The reason that Shia council has not heard of him is: 1) because Sheikh Haron is not from them and is not with them. 2) maybe they don't want to say anything which will be positive for Sheikh Haron who is not supporting them. Sheikh Haron on the site has only supported sunni clerics like Sheikh Taj, Sheikh Omran, Sheikh Feiz etc.
Now it has become more obvious that the government can't stand Sheikh Haron and the Media is trying to put him down. I think the plans of enemy will be infact useful for Sheikh Haron if Allah (SWT) wants.
How can they say "haven't heard" from Ayatollah Manteghi Boroujerdi while he gave a speech to few hundereds Muslims in the Hall of Granvile in Sydney few years ago and other Shia clerics are present in the video?!
All are plans of Media. We should be careful. I agree with Sheikh regarding Media Mafia.

[Nays]

http://www.abc.net.a...2001/240626.htm

I pasted this link earlier when ABC interviewed him a few years ago, so i'm not gonna say he doesn't exist. I'm surprised the ABC could interview him a few years ago, but now they havn't mentioned anything and are thus supporting the idea that he is a mystery and is unknown.

I looked through his website a few times and you can't tell whether he is shiia or not, he seems to be more of a sunni than shia like you said by his support for ahlus sunnah sheikhs, and which shiia scholar would say they support sheikh feiz?

[Brightlight]

I couldn't get through either of those links... But, I had seen a article on Sheikh Haron on abc religion report. They have labelled his views as dangerously liberal, and his wife & two daughters are being held hostage in Iran. This is dated back in 31st January 2001. I ask again can someone please let me know how to post a link.

[Nays]

Brightlight, on Jan 28 2008, 07:17 PM, said:

I couldn't get through either of those links...  But, I had seen a article on Sheikh Haron on abc religion report. They have labelled his views as dangerously liberal, and his wife & two daughters are being held hostage in Iran. This is dated back in 31st January 2001. I ask again can someone please let me know how to post a link.

just type in..or copy and paste the address of the website.

[Brightlight]

Hey, I sorta figured it out. Hope it works now. Thre's not info about him as the articl is not only about him. But anyway. http://www.abc.net.a...2001/240626.htm[/url][/IMG]
I just realised that its the same link as Nays. Sorry about that.
You know, on his website you can enter a competition. The question is about media mafia. And depending on how detailed your answer is the more money you win. Weird, huh?

This post has been edited by Brightlight: 29 January 2008 - 08:21 AM

[Brightlight]

Just thought I'd post the link to where it shows the question & you can win upto $5000. http://www.sheikhharon.com/announcements.html

[fatma]

Brightlight, on Jan 28 2008, 08:17 PM, said:

I couldn't get through either of those links...  But, I had seen a article on Sheikh Haron on abc religion report. They have labelled his views as dangerously liberal, and his wife & two daughters are being held hostage in Iran. This is dated back in 31st January 2001. I ask again can someone please let me know how to post a link.

i answered you 5 min after you posted but it got moved to the site feedback thread so u probably didn;t see it.

[Brightlight]

Ok. Thanks again Fatma. I found out he is a Shia apparently, and to stay away from his views. If I hear of anything else I'll post.