EXCLUSIVE: “I will never forgive them” Interview with the victim of the ‘Sharia whipping’

Assalamulaikum Brother Chris,

May Allah SWT reward you for your patience. And give these people what they deserve.

Even Imam Abu Hanifa had a Muslim neighbour who used to drink. He being such a learned person never did something like this, let alone these guys.

They need to address the obvious issues they have with themselves and not understand Gods law, before they go and judge another Muslim, let alone taking the punishment into their own hands.

while what these brothers did with wrong, we shouldn't fall into the trap of reassuring/supporting this brother so much that he continues drinking. we should advise him that drinking alcohol is haram and help the brother get of the grog.

Australia Has a duty of care for it's citizens - this is a God-given responcibility. Every country also has a duty of care to it's citizens, to protect them, all of them. Then as a traveller you should accept that, and be subject to it. As a citizen from anothe country, you should expect judicial representation and an assurance that there is no predjudice involved with the system from your native country. That's all. To do any more, may beconstrued as interferrance in another nations soverign powers. Justice must be seen to be done, by all, not the few. That is why the trial by Judge and jury of 12 is so prized above other systems of justice. In whatever land you must conform to and be subject to the laws of that land.

I just think that as followers of say Judaism, Chrsitianity, and/or Islam, (hang with with me for a minute! got a point where i'm headed lol) .. we need to unite. The 'devil' and all his henchmen are most likely laughing their a**es off at all of us always fighting with one another.. i know slightly off topic..

BUT i do at times sit and think imagine if we all just combined, in prayer, in good deeds if that good energy had an even greater effect on the world and it's movement, as opposed to where it seems to be going.. down the toilet.

maybe we need godo hearted spokesmen of all three monotheistic faiths to combine an unite us. too many years of needless fighting etc without debate, the 'GOD' the 3 follow are the same. we need to focus on that, let the next man embrace his chosen book, and move forward the right way or i just see this nonsense going on and on til we finish here.

This is Australia, we love having you here but crimes after crimes have committed here and it has to stop.. shame we dont have the death penalty for these four men.. and as asking for forgiveness what a joke..So i go out and murder say im sorry and its over.. get a grip.. Do the crime pay the time.

At the end of the day people are speculating with the little information we have via the media, hopefully time will unravel more. We have been wrong many times believing in the Media, not just in this country but elsewhere. Trial by media never works. Lets actually follow thru with what we try so hard to defend. A fair trial for all, with integrity and honesty and fairness at the forefront. As horrible as this was, lets not blow it out of proportion with much more horrible crimes that happen in this country every single day.

As horrible as this crime is lets not forget that the majority of the hideous horrible horrible crimes that occur in Australia are from NON MUSLIMS, I don't need to get into what type of crimes, but like many western countries our track record is horrible. As sad as it is, this in light in comparison to what happens in Australia on a day to day basis, especially to woman and children is mediocre. Just saying. In closing and to my MANY MANY posts, let the punishment fit the crime, lets remember this is Australia, where people are innocent till proven guilty. Lets hope a fair and objective scenario is created and fullfilled in a court of law. The bond conditions were excessive. Just google much worse crimes, it isn't hard. Freedom of Information is very useful.

Allah is the judge no one else. People need to worry about themselves first and foremost. Almighty God said "If one who knows Me, disobeys Me, I will give a free hand over him, to one that doesn't know Me". (Hadith Qudsi).

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May Allah (swt) forgive me if I had said anything wrong, though the links I have provided by our wonderful teachers, sheikhs etc, do a wonderful job in explaining the true religion of Islam.
P.S Even if everything Chris said was a lie, there is still no law allowing or justifying breaking into someones home.

Interviewing those who did this is fine, but there is not a single reason that will justify what they did, not one. Their first mistake was breaking into someone elses home, there is not a single reason, excuse that would justify what they did by any stretch. https://www.facebook.com/e​ditprofile.php?sk=co... https://www.facebook.com/e​ditprofile.php?sk=co...

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Also,trial by forum and media is not very helpful, as we only have facts that those in power decide we will have. So let the courts do their job and God willing the most fair and just decision will be made taking into account everything needed. On a sidenote, what these men did, was inappropriate and unwarranted and unacceptable and most importantly, UN ISLAMIC.

You may learn something there also. God willing. Honestly did that man, who couldn't post bond, and I do feel bad for him because he has so many children, but HONESTLY, did he honestly have nothing better to do with his time than do this? To himself and his family and his children, may Allah guide him to the truth and away from future ridiculous Behaviour. 1001 inventions from the Muslim Civilisations should show all those from the east, what a truly wonderful heritage they have, and they should focus more on what they did in the past and let go of such negative traits that are un Islamic.

They were obviously not, every religion, culture has people who make us wonder, but just because they are doing something in the name of Religion does not make it so. I don't commit a crime then say I did it on behalf of all brunettes and so the country blames brunettes for everything, silly right?
Judge a Religion by its scripture not its people. Islam is perfect, Muslims are not, no human is perfect.
Like Khadijah said, it isn't as cut and dry as you like to think it is.
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Joe you totally missed the point. The punishment is actually worse in Christianity and Judaism.
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So please don't make comments that are not true. It is not the correct punishment and it surely isn't to be taken on by just normal citizens. In a country that uses Shariah Law, there is a process, and those in governing power, I.e courts determine the outcome, and any physical outcome is generally the last resort. They broke into someones house, that is a crime in Islam and in Australia. What were they thinking?

Well firstly generalisations like 'this isn't the middle east' don't work, as you cannot make a blanket statement like that, because it isn't true, a few don't equate to a whole region. The media does what the media does, especially in this day and age. Anyone who takes what they tell us to be 100% truth is not only dillusional but doing a disservice to themselves. Australia has a shady past also, especially when it comes to laws, some are no longer used, some are still law, but many Australians do not know about it, that being said I would like to refer to the post by Joe.

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Gods true followers have always been attacked and ridiculed since the beginning of time. This is a known fact in History, during the time of Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (Pbut). That is why so much attention and some negative attention is out there on Islam, the truth is powerful and shaytan and other corrupters don't want the truth to spread, as it is. Nothing can or will stop Gods true religion, the beauty and perfection of Islam. Whether you like it or not agree or not, the truth doesn't change.

This is nothing new, it is a part of human history and has been proven over and over again, when many things have been unravelled. Not saying that is the case here, making a general comment as what happened to this person was NOT RIGHT. Whether it is Islam, Christianity or Judaism, there are many many many deviant sects in each Religion. Man made groups, which have nothing to do with Islam. This article explains it well, regarding Islam at least. Christianity and Judasim are even more confusing and messy, so no need to get into that here.

Your comment is also a little contradictory, as you are posing judgement in an area, you're trying to defend, that is, freedom of speech and the right to a fair and just trial for everyone by our courts. Whether guilty or not guilty, justified or not, everyone is entitled to be heard in court. Obviously in a perfect world, the courts would reach the most fair and unbias outcome, but it is not, as humans are not perfect. Of course people don't always say the truth in the Media, everyone has a hidden agenda. It is about control, so to control people you scare them, you divide and conquer.

Wendy, you have yet again, like those of your nature, said nothing of substance and have attacked for the pure sake of attacking. Also it is 'you're, not your. You have no knowledge of Shariah law so making unfactual uneducated comments is a disservice to yourself and makes you look foolish and seperative. The truth is out there, no excuse in this day and age not to know.

When we live & let live, we don't need to criticise, judge, or condemn others. We have no need to control them or try & make them conform to our way of thinking. We let others live their own lives & we live ours.The Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “The excellence of a person’s Islam includes leaving what does not concern him.”
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong if they do evil." [Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1325]

Exactly Rouba, this is just a small handful of people, one of the deviant sects, the same as in Christianity and Judaism who have manyyyyy sects also. It isn't Islam, someone claiming to do something in the name of Islam does not make it so. Just like we don't tarnish every Christian out there by the small minority who have no clue. E.g Fred Nile.

If I had a choice of someone being lashed than going out drunk and killing one of my family members I would prefer they get lashed. I am sure if anyone was drunk and they were asked if they want to stay in prison for 6 plus months or get lashed, if it was like their 5th time doing this crime, I know they would say lashed. But you're missing the point AGAIN. It is inconsequential if lashing in an ISLAMIC COUNTRY that uses Sharia law uses this as a form of punishment, after all western countries still have the death penalty, because in Australia we do not have Sharia law and what these men did was WRONG.

Even if everything Chris said was a lie and there is more going on behind the scenes, still they have no right to enter his home, break in and put their hands on him.

Alcohol is a pointless toxin and the amount of people who have died or been horribly hurt or the violence it has caused in famlies to woman and children especially, the amount of crimes that would not be around if it wasn't for the toxin alcohol is unrefutable.Yet so many of these people get given chance after chance after chance, until someone dies. No one is excusing what happened, it wasn't right and breaking and entering is just a no no. Being lashed is the final outcome, it isn't the first choice when someone is in court under a Sharia System, takes quite a few chances before that is even considered. Refer to the above posts, they explain it much better.

Salam Ahmed Kilani and staff at muslimvillage.com.....(Takbi x 3) Allahu Akbar. Thank you for this interview and for keeping contact with Mr Martinez. InshAllah he is ok and i will pray for him and your organisation in these times.

InshAllah more Muslims can get behind Chris and the other "Chris's" out there who have problems and help them overcome these. Not punish them. Humdulilah we have a deen that can help people overcome alcohol abuse, drug abuse and other issues, if only we had more muslims that could help combat the abuse of our deen by these arrogant brothers of ours. I come into contact with these sorts of brothers daily, and it is dissappointing to see how arrogantly they think they are saved and above other muslims and non-muslims. they want 'husn-althan' for themselves, but give it to no one else!!! Allahu Akbar and Allah kbir. InshAllah Chris is looked after by the brothers at muslimvillage and other organisations and his Iman in Allah only grows stronger due to these cowards who think they are mujtahids.

Thanks to Ahmed Kilani for interview Chris Martinez , those people who did the offense must file ashamed of themselves and for the group they belong to >>

The thing that stuck in my mind was that our brother said ...he would never forgive them..........I say, if Allah can forgive those that repent....why cant we. Remember the story of the companion that was promised jennah because he went to bed everynight having forgiven that that did anything to him ?....brother, forgive them and get on with your life

It is fine to see all these denunciations of the violence inflicted upon this man. However, what is not being acknowledged is that flogging is the prescribed punishment for drinking under Sharia law.

Where did these men get their fatwa from anyway? If Islam was a violent religion, the majority of Muslims in Australia would be carrying out the same punishment on other Muslims. But these are only a few individuals who have commited this crime on Chris - they deserve to be punished under Australian Law. They need to understand that this is NOT Islam but their own interpretation. May Allah s.w guide us all to the straight path and forgive us all of our shortcomings.

PEACE

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He is hurt so everything he is saying now is fresh and in his mind, give some understanding of course he will say he can't forgive them, many people in similiar situations do and say the same thing, as time goes on obviously they may or may not say yes they have now forgiven them, people need to stop being so impatient and judgemental. Easy to tell someone to forgive when you are not in their situation. He knew these people, it is harder to forgive people who had a friendship with, its more personal.

In addition to my post on FB, the bond conditions were ridiculous, taking into account everything. Let us not forget the Anglo criminals who killed that poor lady, after they broke into her house, she ran after them and they stabbed her to death. Not only was their bond lower but their conditions were not even close to what happened to these men. Yes what they did was inexcusable, but let us know be naive and dillusional that justice is equal and fair to all. And Annie if everyone was removed from our society that did such crimes, and there are crimes less and worse than these, the country would have hardly any Christians or Jews or any other Non Muslims as they perpetrate the most crimes. No one is scared of enforcing the law you twit, you should be more concerned at people who got away with much more hideous crimes, let the punishment fit the crime. Only Allah can judge, what these men did was inexcusable, Period. Refer to my posts on the muslim village facebook page.

So it's hideously evil to drink in your own home, but quite ok to break, enter and bash the life out of a person? These hypocrites have no place in our society. I bet they will get away with it though, because we are all scared of enforcing the laws on these bullies.